Brexit Delay? The EU wants one, the UK does not.

Who said UK wasn't really looking to crash out from the EU without a deal?

Again, to be Frank, if we can use Covid-19 to brush over the mistakes of Northern Ireland and go under the radar leaving it unresolved to run out the clock, then let's do it. Londonderry is hardily London - so really, who cares about your obsession with Northern Ireland?

Time is running out you know and there will be no extension to UK's situation.
We want a deal with USA, we don't want a deal with the EU.

Why would anyone want a deal with the EU after Canada got burned with CETA?
Answer me that.

 

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...transition-period-a-distraction-39194359.html
Read it and understand @Mandelus not even your obsessed over Northern Ireland wish to extend this transition; the UK really doesn't want the deal the EU is proposing because it fails to recognise us as an independent coastal state, and an Australian Style/WTO non deal with the EU is fine by us.

 

Brexit concessions MUST be made as price of deal! Barnier erupts in angry warning to UK Link

The EU has priced itself out of a deal with the UK since it crosses our red line @Mandelus that the EU cannot cross; we'd sooner have a level playing field with the US than with the EU - that's what Brexit is about.

UK could/should be treated like Canada or Japan by the EU.
But since the EU doesn't recognise this, then it's WTO and to Hell with the UK/EU free trade if it means signing up to obey EU rules to stop us being competitive.

 

You for example? have you Alzheimer that you forgot your own posts here in forum, eh?
It was you and some others who won't have a deal with the EU and blabber with WTO and so on ...

My obsession with Northern Ireland?
Come on ... it is you who milled around this topic which was since votum for Brexit a topic and ignored the situation in Northern Ireland ... and it was you who tried t focus on Republic of Ireland to hide the real problem behind!

Personally I give a crap on Northern Ireland as well as I give a crap about UK development since being off from EU. Become a slave of the USor not ... but if UK wants to do business with EU than UK has to follow the rules of EU for such a business like Norway and Switzerland does within the negotiated contract between EU and them.

AND MORE IMPORTANT: forget it to blame the EU for your own British caused problems and mistakes anymore. You are not further part of EU anymore, so it is your own decision what you do. No British Cherry Picking anymore ...

Then make your deal with them ... what hinders you about?
O wait ... I know what is itching you here: over 50% of your exports go into EU and so for this business you have to follow the EU rules as all outsiders have to do if wanting business with the EU. this is disturbing you, because you won't do ... sorry dude, but forget it! Accept and follow them or forget business ... or in other words: Eat or Die!

I have no problem with it that you become the next economical slave of the USA like Mexico and rest of Central America is ... or do you seriously believe that this is an negotiation on eye level? Really? Lol ....

Canada is burned because CETA ... you make my day with your fake news spreading!

 

I have bolded one of your words to ask you if you think the UK would 'care' about breaking it's word and reneging on an international treaty it signed up to?

 

It's not for the UK to care about Brexit's effect on Ireland's economy no more than it is to care about any other EU country.

What did UK sign up to that it's breaking?

https://en.mercopress.com/2020/05/0...-as-uk-moves-away-from-political-negotiations

The only thing UK is moving back on is some political declaration and isn't anything that's legally binding.
As for our promises to international treaties, UK hasn't broken anything and to satisfy a legal Brexit, triggered Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and left the EU by the book.

And? No deal with the EU if the EU don't recognise the UK as an independent coastal state, this means the UK won't do a deal with the EU under this demand for UK to have a level playing field (following EU rules) and allowing EU unrestricted access to our waters (like we're in the EU).

Because nobody was talking about Northern Ireland, if anything, Phil Hogan an EU commissioner in Republic of Ireland was moaning that the UK had a top secret plan not to extend the current transition, which just shows how ignorant that country is!
First of all, it's no secret, it's enshrined into UK law not to extend this transition.
Secondly, he was moaning to RTE suspecting Boris Johnson of this top secret plan while worrying about Brexit's effect on the Irish Economy (ROI's economy) like it's UK's fault Ireland's economy will be hit for being in the EU.
Nobody is forcing Ireland to stay in the EU, so if Ireland's economy suffers because of Brexit, that's on Ireland, not UK.

UK doesn't mind doing business with the EU on WTO terms.
It's not like the EU are asking Canada or Japan for a level playing field, so this EU demand of the UK prices EU out of a deal with the UK and UK can and is saying no to the EU because the EU isn't respecting Brexit demanding this in a deal with the UK.

The only problem the UK has with the EU since we left is that the EU isn't respecting our independence and is demanding we act like we're EU for a trade deal, yet Canada doesn't have to, that's UK's problem and reason to moan to the EU, and that's EU's position, so the UK can cherry pick or walk, and the EU can demand no cherry picking, but then it's WTO because the UK walked from EU's offer of a deal with the EU.

Believe it or not, UK is sort of hinting for freedom of movement with the USA/UK in any deal, as well as more access to American markets and mutual recognition of qualifications.
Better being a slave to the US than to the EU, which, let's not pretend signing a deal under EU's terms wouldn't be.

Yup, why would the UK want a deal with the EU when the EU won't even buy British but have us to dump on and sell to?

WTO is fine, let's add tariffs to EU products entering the UK so the EU can't dump on us in any free trade deal - duh!

 

The EU wants a delay and the UK doesn't, because the EU doesn't want the UK to say no despite the UK's hard lines the EU want to cross but can't; besides, the EU will demand more money from the UK if a transition is extended and will tie the UK up with more EU rules that has the EU's interest but not the UK's.
Britons FURIOUS as EU set to bind UK to score of new laws if Brexit transition extended link
The EU literally are the ones moaning that the UK is stalling when the UK is just saying no.

The UK is cherry picking and if we don't get what we want (which is to leave the EU and be treated like we've left the EU); then WTO terms with tarriffs, which would be better than signing a deal with the EU that doesn't treat us like the independent coastal state we are who have the international right to say no, and is saying "no." to the EU's demands for unrestricted access to our waters.
The level playing field thing is just a joke since it would make Brexit pointless, so that's also not going to happen, and the UK is saying no to this and has every right to cherry pick or walk away.@Mandelus

 

The UK signed up to the Belfast Agreement.
Do you think it matters if that is reneged upon?

 

Great Britain is no longer in a customs union with the European Union. Northern Ireland is also no longer legally in the EU Customs Union, but remains an entry point into it - creating a de facto customs border down the Irish Sea.

This is to satisfy the Belfast Agreement and is the only compromise the EU will get from the UK and it's not a little compromise either, it's a big one.

I still feel it's the EU who feel the need for an external border so it will be the EU who'd be breaking this, not the UK if ever an EU border was erected on the island of Ireland because of Brexit.
It's actually a form of racism @philosophical to assume it's UK breaking this agreement if an EU border is erected.

 

Aside fact that the complete BREXIT is founded on lies against the EU andnot a spark of truth in it ... Germany is nothing fearing here. Thos who have fears are living on an island, because without trading with the EU, the UK economy wents down to a level of sme shithole states. You are not even able to feed yourself with your own agriculture ... you have never been because you always had to rely on imports! Wake up!

Can you stop saying only half the truth? is that possible?
The fact is that the UK demands ... I repeat ... demands to continue to have free access to the EU internal market as before Brexit ... AND ... this also includes unrestricted access to the territorial waters of the EU member states for their own fishing Industry!

Why the hell are you leaving out this important detail and mention ONLY the EU's LEGAL counterclaim?
So please stop spreading lies here!

Oh ... I understnad now! You are only out for revenge because bad Ireland was able to free itself from the UK after World War I and was no longer your colony in the neighborhood?
So Ireland has to shut up, accept the British insolence and best leave the EU so that you have something to say again? Forget it!

And again you only spread half truths and lies!
Fact # 1:
Your economy relies on trade with the EU for exports!
Fact # 2: So Norway, Switzerland, Japan, Canada and others were all idiotic, reasonable and mutually beneficial contracts without "cherry picking"? Very interesting in which broken thoughts you live!
Fact # 3: These EU rules that you are against for, apply to everyone who trades with the EU and you Brits have to ... if you want to do business with the EU ... damn it follow them just as well as everyone else. You are nothing special or different as Norway or Switzerland and you can put your insolence where it is very dark!

To hell with your eternal WTO babble!
And the one who is constantly doing cheeky cherry picking here are the British, not the EU ... because you feel so much better than everyone else. What you are asking for is a submission of the EU under the will and demands of UK and not a respect for the independence and sovereignty of the UK!

Let's take 2 examples ...
Your brexit scum continues to demand "free movement" across the EU for all British citizens as before the brexit! Conversely, the same scum says that as a sovereign state you decide which citizens from which EU member states you want to give "free movement".
And should the EU accept that? Say, are you British now totally crazy or have you drunk too much warm beer?
Likewise ... you keep coming with only half the truth about your territorial waters. As I said before, you demand the same for the territorial waters in the EU internal market ... and the EU should accept that without granting the same to the EU member states? Are you crazy?

Then I wish you a lot of fun with the USA. Let's see when you start to wake up, that you have nothing to say and have to bow to the will of the USA, because you alone are only a dwarf compared to the USA. If some dispute gets gets tough and an idiot like Trump is sitting in the White House, then you will be in same situation like Mexico now ... and a target of US threats.

And again twisting facts and telling half the truth!
Personally, I have no problem if you impose tariffs on imports from the EU! Apart from the fact that you piss yourself on your own leg as we say in Germany, because you are dependent on many imports with no existing second source and prices will raise drastic in UK... In return, at least the same tariffs hail on your exports to the EU and that is over 50% of your entire economy!

And then you piss yourself a second time on your own leg, because then most companies from EU member states will close their factories in the UK ... and here we are talking here (depending on the source) about 3 to 4 million British jobs! Have fun!

P.S.
Hey ... maybe no bad idea, because they can then open plants in Republic of Ireland to please them in economic fears due to trade with UK which you mention again and again, eh?

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...us-lockdown-boris-johnson-liz-truss-EU-latest

This comes after the European Union claimed Britain will struggle to sign trade deals around the world before it reaches an agreement with Brussels.
@Mandelus
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/liz-truss-kick-starts-trade-negotiations-with-japan
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-us-start-trade-negotiations

The UK are already able to do things Brussels said it couldn't do before signing a deal with the EU.

 

From the UK government website on trade.
https://www.gov.uk/business-and-industry/free-trade

I don't know what lies the EU are telling you based on scare tactics @Mandelus but it sounds silly.
The more the EU wants a delay, the less progress it's actually making in the time we have left.

 

Aside fact that no one clamed that UK is not able or will struggle to do so with others ... no idea why you are telling this rubbish

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...-off-UK-trade-deal-US-Donald-Trump-update/amp
This is hardly news but will explain why the EU is so desperate not to lose influence over the UK

 

Silly? Ehm ... OK:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/

OK, 45% of all Exports from UK g into EU and 53% coming from EU into UK - so reversed of what I told, my mistake, but it chenges nothing about biggest customer of UK economy is EU and you depend on imports from EU!

EU does not want a delay ... the one who wants a delay was from beginning on UK, because first of all these negotiation leader trolls all wanted more a no deal brexit ... still forgotten that you voted for this too? ... and so came with impudent cherry picking demands.
And now you face the economic power of the EU that they do not submit to British will and demand ... and you blame the EU again. Rediculous!

 

Rarely read so much intellectual bullshit. and are these your trusted media in the UK?

Well ... I now understand why you keep coming up with so much nonsense, half truths and fake news ... with a view to such media.

 

I see we're too far apart to agree on the truth, but if they weren't trusted, would I have known about the UK/Japan trade talks?
The answer is no; fore it was only in the Express where I learned this and I verified it myself for mine and this forum's benefit with the UK Government's official publications.

Meanwhile
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ng-catastrophe-over-brexit-german-lobby-warns
“The tactics of the British government are not appropriate considering the seriousness of the situation,” Lang said. “Our companies need a clear willingness from London to solve existing problems together. The British government must take into account the legitimate concerns of industry on both sides of the Channel.”

Germany seem to think that the EU is so important that it's a serious situation not to extend this transition without a deal.

I mean, this leads the reader to believe that the EU is the UK's only choice for free trade, but we all know it's not.
It seems to be that the EU aren't able to make leaving the EU better than being in the EU, so these UK/EU talks are stalling and the clock is running out.
The UK clearly doesn't want a deal that Canada or Japan wouldn't want, so the EU's need to protect itself from others leaving is why the UK/EU talks are failing, because UK's cherry picking or walking and the EU says no cherry picking because EU countries can't do that despite the UK not being an EU country.

@Mandelus you've got to ask yourself, logically; if the EU wasn't weaker on the world stage without the UK, then why is EU demanding UK stay to EU rules?
Surely, if the EU thought it could remain as strong without the UK, then the EU would let the UK cherry pick.

 

Boris Johnson is the UK and he has a mandate by the people.
The only people in the UK who want a delay are Ian Blackford of the SNP, not Boris Johnson who, let's not forget, made it law not to extend beyond 2020..
Michele Barnia and Phil Hogan (both EU) are saying we need to extend because of Covid; Because we're too far apart in this time frame because the UK is saying no to fisheries and level playing field.
Across the political board from Boris Johnson to Kier Starmer aren't backing an extension.

You seem to think the UK can't cherry pick in negotiating a free trade deal with the EU.
You say words like impudent when the UK asks for a better deal, it would be impudent if the UK was in the EU, but the fact is the UK is not and it's impudent of the EU to ask for a level playing field tying the UK to the EU, that's impudence; the UK isn't impudent, the UK is negotiating because we've left the EU.

 

Fact; the EU is asking UK for a level playing field and unrestricted access to our waters.
Norway, Switzerland, Japan, Canada would be idiotic to deal with the EU demanding this of them, but the fact that the EU is asking this of the UK and not them means the UK is being treated different and the UK would also be idiotic to sign a deal with the EU demanding this unrestricted access to our waters and this level playing field with the EU tying the UK to be a rule taker.

When the EU treats UK like Canada or Japan, then you could say such a thing, but the EU isn't treating the UK like it's treating Canada or Japan, and I don't even want a deal with the EU based on CETA with Canada because Canada now have the EU selling to them and not buying despite the promise to Canada for more exports to the EU.

Both China and the EU signed deal with countries in Africa too that prevent Africans from protecting their local farmers again EU and China dumping on to them, so that's why I believe WTO/Australian type of deal with the EU is best, to prevent the EU dumping on our markets/selling to the UK unrestricted.

Freedom of movement for unskilled EU migrants is like dumping cheap labour on to the market too, and countries in the EU can't compete with UK labour laws so unskilled labour from the EU come here and UK employers would rather hire them then offer better full time/part time jobs / year round jobs the locals need.
The points based immigration system prevents unskilled people from entering the workforce.
That's what it's actually designed to do.

 

Yes ... 2 of how many in the EU say that? And not right?
And again: you ... the UK ... demands the same fisherie and level playing field in the EU!
The EU says OK, but then we with you too ... and that is outrageous? Really?

You still don't seem to understand ... o dear!

UK demands "free movemen" for all British citizens across the EU in every EU member country ... but UK says, conversely, it only applies to citizens from EU member states, where we say OK and not for everyone! And is that not an outrageous attempt at cherry picking?

Do you seriously expect the EU to say OK? Really now?

And the same ... again ... because of fishing and your territorial waters. The UK demands free access to the territorial waters of all EU members for their own fishing ... the other way around, the EU then demands the same ... and rightly so!

Why are you telling half the story over and over again?

 

#1
You tell only half the story again ... because you completely hide the fact that the UK first asked for free access to the sovereign waters of the EU member states. Then came the EU counterclaim for UK territorial waters ...

So finally stop lying here!

#2
Do you know that the EU also has a fair trade agreement with Australia?

#3
WTO rules are much more relaxed than those of the EU and prefer exploitation ... do you know that?

#4
Oh ... you want to control immigration, I forgot. OK, then you can just as easily forget the free movrement to the EU, because what should we do with your unskilled people or unemployed people who cannot find a job with you in the UK? Are only over 2 million British people living in the EU!

 

The present UK government betrays the UK brexit vote by preparing for border checks at Belfast, Warrenpoint and Larne.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson flat out lied.

 

Okay.

There is ambition for freedom of movement in a UK/US trade deal.
I doubt it'll happen, but if it did; that would be an upgrade.

Unskilled Americans would be better than unskilled EU people because American's don't tend to be Communist sympathizers and they're more likely to know English and it'll be like swapping Alacante for Malibu.

You can keep freedom of movement with the EU.

 

That said, if we don't get freedom of movement in a trade deal with the US, that wouldn't be the end of the world and it's so ambitious, I'm not holding my breath over it.
But if we could, then that would be perfect and probably even proof of God.

However, trade deals are usually about trade and not politics or immigration (like a normal sovereignty respecting deal) so again, not expecting it to actually happen.

 

Fine for me ... will you take back these over 1 million Brits who work within the EU currently?