Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

Okay cool.

Thanks for your reply.

 

The "Watchmaker" version of god?

 

You equate murderers like Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot
with Winston Churchill and Dwight Eisenhower?

Do you really believe that Dwight Eisenhower was a murderer?

 

yep, but if something as amazing as our universe needs a "watchmaker", surely something even more amazing such as a God would need one too

and on and on it goes

 

Be careful you are about to get dragged down a rabbit hole.

 

God did make the human brain with all the instincts and emotionals that come along with it. He made natural disasters and organisms that cause humans harm. He also stands idly by and just watches as incredible evils occur every day. So its obvious to me that God is partially responsible for the evils caused. He also made the bible that is full of some backwards and horrible commandments, along with some good stuff too.

But I'm not sure that a world without evil is really that good. We need evil to grow and become better people. So in a way, a certain amount of evil is actually good. When we cast aside these ridiculous notions of absolute right and wrong, we can see that maybe the evils in the world can be compatible with God. Plus, nobody has actually presented any evidence that objective morality or right and wrong exist in the first place. God can do whatever he wants, we are his special ant farm to use as he pleases.

 

Pfft.

In the Beginning there was nothing.
God created the something out of the nothing.
There was no evil in the nothing.
There is evil in the something.
ergo, God created evil.

God created man in His image.
No one else had a hand in this creation.
Therefore all of what Man is comes from God.
The evil that is in Man, comes from God.

Sorry. Can't have an all powerful God who created the Universe from nothing deny credit/blame for what is in that Universe.

 

Thank you for putting paid to those who say evil is caused by free will...


You: "". So in a way, a certain amount of evil is actually good"""

….and what amount is that?

An amount that spares you and your family?

An amount that includes raping and torturing the innocent???? How "good" is that ???

Are you saying that things like the Holocaust had a "good" side ???

 

I am not saying that all evil is good and should be accepted. I am saying that evil has a purpose in this world and that fighting this evil is what makes us better people. Thanks to the horrors of WWII and the genocides, humanity entered a new age of relative peace and racial equality. Now I am not saying that war and gencide are good things, but it makes sense why God allows them, so that we face the consequences of our choices, and overcome them.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Thank you for putting paid to those who say evil is caused by free will...


You: "". So in a way, a certain amount of evil is actually good"""

….and what amount is that?

An amount that spares you and your family?

An amount that includes raping and torturing the innocent???? How "good" is that ???

Are you saying that things like the Holocaust had a "good" side ???

And that's why I asked you those inconvenient questions you carefully avoided:

You: "". So in a way, a certain amount of evil is actually good"""

….and what amount is that?

An amount that spares you and your family?

An amount that includes raping and torturing the innocent???? How "good" is that ???

Are you saying that things like the Holocaust had a "good" side ???

HAS IT !!??? Look around you, listen to the news...your "plan" obviously didn't work !!!!!!

WHAT ??

What planet are you speaking from ? ….that is so unbelievably FALSE...



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Ya, right, I'm sure that's what innocent children were thinking as they were marched into gas chambers.

Do ONE thing to open your eyes....look up the number of children who are sold into the sex trade...It'll show you life isn't so rosy for everyone and vile evil is rampant.....GEE GOSH, do those kids come out the better for it (IF they live)

 

LOL

allen: I believe the bible is the inerrant word of God. What the bibe says defines reality. At any point any person disagrees with the bible , they are wrong.

Einstein: The word God is for me nothing but the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of venerable but still primitive legends.


Gee, I'm having trouble trying to decide which opinion carries more weight.

Perhaps someone can help out...

LMAO

 

According to the bible itself, god is responsible.

Isaiah 45:7
King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

Paul=Saul=Persecutor of Christians. Bad example.

 

I was just pointing out that no atheist accuses a god of anything, we do not believe they exist.

 

I know.
I was actually improving on your statement and showed god itself claims to be responsible for all things on Earth. Good and Evil.
It created everything according to the bible and as 1 poster in this thread says, all words in the bible are god inspired.
So, god itself says it created all things. Including good and evil.

 

Ok understand now.

 

Which entity does all of the evil things in the book of Revelation?

 

Dawkins produces his own conception of God, and proceeds to argue against this very idea. It’s the same thing that all atheists do.

For example, this atheist’s conception of God is “sky hero.” His opinion and belief of God becomes his own reality....

 

Here's actual reality, dude … there is ZERO evidence to prove that sky pappy exists...

 

But their's is no less valid.

 

Your mind was made up before you heard Einstein's words.

 

Shortly after WWII we a rapid decline in anti-semitism and racism. Just 15 years later, the civil rights act was passed in the US. It used to be common place to be anti-Jewish, and has been the norm for hundreds of years. That attitude stopped after WWII. Europe had been involved in increasingly destructive wars for the past thousands of years. That stopped after WWII. WWII combined with the advent of the nuclear age made us realize that we had the capacity for mass destruction of our own species and that we had to stop this. Some good things have resulted from the war and genocide of the past, and without these events, human society wouldn't have progressed as much as it has. Its a bit ironic that evil has an important place in the world, but its place is to be eliminated and stopped, and that is what inspires humanity to improve.

In my own life I have suffered a lot of hardship, but that hardship has inspired my to grow and work hard. Without the challenges faced by me and my family, we wouldn't be the strong people that we are. Without hardship, we would all be weak, lazy, and boring. In my career, my best progress came when I faced seemingly impossible challenges that were often unfairly placed on me. Rather than viewing ourselves as victims and crumbling under hardship, we should see it as the way that we improve and become better people.

 

WW2 did not stop wars in Europe, communism did, the moment that collapsed the wars started again, now it could be argued that communism was a necessary evil but to claim the wars stopped is factually incorrect.

 

yep, we just tell them what their book says, the one they believe is the word of their God, if they would just read it, they would see

 

Communism did inspire the West to unite, that is true. But that could have likely caused a WWIII between the east and west. What prevented this was the memories of the horrors of WWII and the fear of nuclear annihalation. War hasn't been eliminated but the world has far less comflict than before WWII. Major powers have been engaged in conflict around the world but there is almost no wars of territorial expansion.

WWI and WWII were bound to happen. Countries were very agressive and technology was giving them tools of greater and greater destruction. There was no better way of teaching humanity a lesson then experiencing horrible world wars to give us something to fear. That is why it is important to remember our history and not forget its lessons.

God, if he exists, allows humans to do horrible things to each other, because there is no other way that we can really grow and independently responsible for our choices. It is through that responsibility that we are forced to improve, or suffer the consequences. Improving isn't a choice. We improve, or we suffer. Maybe it is that way by design.