The George Floyd Murder Protests: Lets be clear about what is really going on.

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  1. Thought Criminal

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    "I try to put numerous people in the same type of situation when judging these kinds of things."

    Well, you failed. Please quote anyone saying that this particular thug "deserved to die".
     
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    What % of black folks do you think receive government benefits?

    What % of white folks do you think receive government benefits?

    We were dumped once by the Republican Party after the CRM when the party was taken over by Southern white democrats and dixiecrats.

    The movements of the 60s is what made them run to the Republican Party. It's why the party is 90 - 95% white.
     
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    How many "black" women dying are acceptable to you? How many "white" men dying are acceptable to you?

    Until you stop being a blatant, race baiting hypocrite, why should I take any of your posts seriously?
     
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    His blood level for fentanyl was 11 ng/Ml. The average level for accidental overdose deaths is just under 10 ng/Ml.

    I think he was overdosed and going into respiratory depression and cardiac arrest very early in the confrontation with police.

    They were negligent 1) not to recognize a medical emergency and they should have called an ambulance early. They didn't call for medics until just a few minutes before his pulse had stopped. 2) Chauvin should have listened to Lane an rolled Floyd over when Lane mentioned Excited Delirium (a medical reaction to fentanyl/meth overdose)....and certainly taken his knee off the man's neck as soon as Floyd was clearly no longer resisting.

    So... I do think a murder by negligence (not intent) will stick.
     
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    How many of those voters were independents?[/QUOTE]
    There's oodles of data on voter demographics if you care to search for them. Party affiliation, age, race....whatever you want to find. I'm not interested in looking all that data up to answer your questions.
     
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    If not, the difficulty breathing might have been enough to tip things just over the edge.

    He may have already been close to having a heart attack. Obstruct breathing just a little bit and reduce oxygen supply, it would have been enough.
    We also just found out he had the coronavirus. That might have also been reducing oxygen supply (making the lungs not work as efficiently), on top of whatever the officers were doing.
     
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    Some dogs are trained to have what is called a "soft bite". They can bite to hold but not so hard to do significant damage. Shepherds can be trained for that on one command and trained to go for the jugular with a different command. I have no idea the details of the San Diego case which is still going through the court justice system.
     
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    The autopsy said the Corovirus was asymptomatic. His lungs didn't show any significant damage seen with some of the severe virus cases.

    He reportedly was saying "I can't breathe," repeatedly when they were first trying to get him into the squad car, while he was still standing. After looking up what levels of fentanyl would be a likely overdose, I think he was probably starting to crash at that point.

    The employee at the store who called in the counterfeit complaint told the dispatcher that he was very intoxicated and not walking properly. With the rise in fentanyl/opioid OD's in the country, a lot of police forces are being trained to watch for signs of fentanyl delirium and consider it a medical emergency. Maybe the dispatcher should have called the police and an ambulance on the same call.
     
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  9. Curious Always

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    Pardon me. I did mis-speak.

    You were trying to justify why this "criminal" belonged in prison. You doubled down when you said he was using illegal drugs. That's the context. Nobody ever thought Rush Limbaugh belonged in prison. He may not have been guilty of anything. There's no way to know.
     
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    Yes. He deserved a fair trial. However, he was hopped up and acting bizarrely in a public situation. Did Limbaugh do that? Did Limbaugh have five prior criminal convictions? I think that you are making an odd comparison.
     
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    Not on airplanes. Or to cities where sightseeing is their goal. Too many attractions are closed or operate on modified schedules.

    The system can't do well if people aren't spending money. An enthusiastic two-thirds as you describe them is a guaranteed nasty recession. The only way I can see people relaxing enough to resume a fair amount of their activities is by getting the case load down. We can't get by without a good chunk of their spending.

    They did it quickly in Australia.

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    It's not too late for us if we develop a federal government response. I fear for our economic future if we don't control the virus.
    You're not likely to convince folks to change their minds.

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    57% are worried about getting COVID-19. How are you going to change their mind?
     
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    There's no war.
     
  13. Thought Criminal

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    Hopefully, this will lead to an additional training regimen. The three officers, who were just standing there, could have taken over. One guy, full of adrenaline can easily lose control and overdo it. If the other guys were trained to step in and say "we got this", the suspect might still be alive.
     
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    We don't know what Limbaugh did or did not do while high. These officers had know way of knowing that George Floyd got out of prison in 2007. You are trying to soften the blow, here, even though you acknowledge the cops went way too far. I'm unclear as to why.

    Wrong is wrong. There is no context that makes this okay.
     
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    I don't understand your point(s).

    The suspect is clearly not someone to deserve all of this uproar. Of course, the apprehension could have been handled much better. But, I just don't understand why we are being directed to care about this particular criminal. Does he deserve some special status because of his skin color?
     
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    the brutha's will have to earn their keep like everyone else

    they disproportionately take the white man's tax dollars with democrat welfare and food stamps. they take the white man's jobs with affirmative action along side the gals.

    now they do not want to obey lawful orders by police when they steal the white man's property? give me a break.
     
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    OMG. Really? Absolutely not. I would be as outraged regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, or any other metric you want to use. This was a horrifying video to watch. The calculated eyes on the cop was nauseating, like Arya Stark when she slit Walder Frey's neck. It's the look of a sociopath. I'm not saying he is one, but in that moment, he was. He did not have justice on his mind. He lost control. Due to race? I've no clue and no desire to speculate on the topic.
     
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    I'd like to add that Chauvin has 17 prior complaints of abuse of power. That seems to me a far more valuable metric than anything done by the dead suspect.
     
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    "We will charge all that the facts and the law allows." MN AG Keith Ellison. I bet the complaints will come out at trial at the time when they count for something.
     
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    I will confess something. I will not watch the video. I simply cannot bring myself to see someone die. I apologize for that particular weakness.

    Even if that officer was out of control, what were the other three doing? Why didn't they step in? This is a failure of the management.

    Beyond that, I don't care about this criminal. I don't understand why anyone else does.
     
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    I see. That explains a lot. You won't watch it, but are happy to call a man a criminal who hasn't broken a law in close to 14 years. No rehabilitation is possible, ever, in your mind. Gotcha. By your account, I am a criminal, since I did some shady things while addicted to drugs in the 80s. It doesn't matter that I've only had a few traffic tickets in the last 30 years, and am I high paying tax, law abiding member of society. All that matters is that I did stupid things as a kid.

    Nice attitude.

    If you can't watch it, then you cannot downplay it. Period. Your opinion is 100% irrelevant to the conversation and I have nothing left to say to you on this topic.

    It could have been a black cop who sat on the neck of a white Republican politician (by definition, a criminal.) I would be equally as horrified. Would you?
     
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    Well, as long as they are admissible. I'd rather see a guilty man free, blah blah blah....

    That said, it will be hard to find an impartial jury, though that was true in the Rodney King case as well. We shall see. I truly believe we've come a long way since then.
     
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    imo unless a man is continually fighting and resisting arrest and will not stop even with use of stun guns and batons, the officers have an obligation to get the man to booking in good condition. If the man will not stop they have an obligation to do the best they can under those circumstances.

    What about employing experienced nurses to administer a sedative in some cases?
     
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    So being hopped up on illegal drugs while passing counterfeit money doesn't quality one for being a criminal?

    I can only have one reaction.

    WTF??!?
     
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    Fentanyl user, probably not long for this world, but they still have to do all they can possibly do to get the guy to booking alive, and in one piece.
     

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