Still think reopening was a good idea?

I asked how you would do it.

Truth is, you have dodged that for several posts because you have no idea how to do it.

What you have is whining, not a policy proposal...

 

I was not proposing a new way of avoiding a virus. Try responding to what I actually said instead of arguing with a position you made up. Young and healthy people should have never been forced to stay home.

 

Flattened? I'm sure you've seen this, but I'll bet Trump and Pence haven't.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

If we looked at the numbers of those who have COVID, which is at least over half a million if not at a million by now, we would see evidence it isn't as bad as Fauci is saying. Even if that immunity is passive, it doesn't mean every case could mean life or death. At least two million cases, a majority of those total cases have recovered, survivors ranging in age from young adults to those a hundred years in age. This virus does not kill everyone that gets it, but that's how its being portrayed. In fact, the numbers suggest we take comfort in the fact one is more likely to recover than die from contracting this virus. Let's take that into account before we immediately jump to the "how many die if--" questions.

I'm not a Trump supporter, far from it, I just know what's going on here. ;It's like how a governor can order something, but that doesn't make it law. Because we have checks and balances, whereas what Newsom and Cuomo are trying might work in another country where such a system doesn't exist.

 

What's pro-American is giving people the choice to, or not to wear a mask. Choice is what matters in this country. Its the reason why we aren't ruled by kings and queens. I saw a funny meme that had some truth attached to its name the other day, it went something along the lines of, "If a fart can penetrate through underwear and jeans, how is a mask supposed to keep our breath contained?" Its a fair point, because both a fart and exhaled breath is hot air. Both can smell, and from the masks at work, I can tell not all the air I exhale is contained. Hot air, like a fart, still seeps out through the sides and front. So two layers of typical woven cotton would do little really.

And I'm not a Republican.

 

Not sure how that's shows or doesn't show flattening of curve.
Afaik flattened never meant stop.

 

128,163 dead Americans and counting. That seems really bad to me. I'm guessing that their loved ones disagree with your assessment of the seriousness of this virus.

What's going on here is a pandemic the likes of which we haven't seen in a hundred years.

What's going on here is zero leadership on the federal level to help deal with this virus as the experts have tried to tell us we must.

What's going on here is an administration that did not take this seriously from the outset, and is currently talking and acting as if the virus is somehow magically gone.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

Number of deaths for leading causes of death

• Heart disease: 647,457
• Cancer: 599,108
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
• Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
• Diabetes: 83,564
• Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

Only time will truly tell how many deaths can be directly attributed to the virus, rather than any other source that has been misidentified for whatever reason. But it still has a long way to go before it exceeds the annual number of deaths in the united states attributed to the leading causes of death.

 

Staying home cripples our economy. So just let the virus continue to take lives. Or suffer another great depression..

What other options can we use?

So try to social distance , wear masks and wash hands often.

 

Exactly.

Reopening was completely IDIOTIC.

The only "Silver Lining" is that NOW:

Even MORE People Will Vote Against Trump...

...Based on his Utter FAILURE (and Mismanagement) During the Crisis.

 

At the most extreme measurement Covid-19 has infected 7% of the US population (23 million Americans). That would make the disease deadlier than anything you posted.

You cannot compare a young deadly virus in its infancy that has barely even started to spread(holistically) with genetic, forecastable, preventable, and heavily researched century old issues. You're comparing apples to laser beams.

 

The irony of your post is that wearing a mask works against particulate matter from your mouth just as pants do with flatulence.
[a short article]

Do you feel we should have the choice to wear pants and underwear? (Since we are not ruled by kings and queens)

The biggest issue with a mask is that it largely doesn’t protect the wearer, it protects others (this is proven) — which is why so many people could care less because we are inundated by anti-science and rational egoism narratives.

An internet meme made you ignore medical science.
You might as well be...

 

We wear pants and underwear for comfort and style. There's also a thing called indecent exposure. Masks are not comfortable, stylish, and unless a passed bill is signed by the governor, there is no law requiring people wear masks (a order is not a law, weird how high school civics goes out the window when people argue to keep things locked down). It's the reason why the Health Department in every state can only recommend people wear masks.

 

Most of my loved ones are in favor of reopening, that we can't continue to play it safe. Yes, the cases will go up but so will the recoveries.

 

So we should have the choice to do something unless it is “comfortable” or “stylish”... Then you are ok with laws being made for it...

Do you comprehend that using a mask lowers transmission when coupled with hand washing by as much as 85%?
Do you care?
Was the very short article too much for you?

I really have no words.

 

Yes, I do comprehend that and I did read the article. Do you comprehend that 89% of all cases in the US have recovered? That was of yesterday when I looked up the stats.

 

Denial, it isn’t just a river in Egypt.

 

Do you comprehend the long term health impairments that many of those 89% will face?

What percentage of the population needs to not recover before you deem it necessary to compromise your “style”?

 

Yes, of course it was a good idea.

 

many of those could be reduced greatly if we undid the Nixon food recommendations.... seed oils and high carbs have turned into a health crisis for many

 

"Outside exercise lowers the chance of spreading the virus by a magnitude of 10 compared with the same level of exertion indoors, said Dr. Gary Green, medical director of infection control at Sutter Santa Rosa Regional Hospital. The main danger is in exercising outdoors with others because the tendency is to pile into a car to get to the trailhead and then bunch up once you are there: “People are used to congregating before and after exercising and you want to be careful.”


Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease specialist at the UCSF School of Medicine, said that in all circumstances the outdoors are safer than indoors. It is easier to maintain social distancing and the virus does not have as many opportunities to spread. That’s why tuberculosis patients were always placed out in the fresh air. “If you want to meet people, meet them outside,” he said. “It is all about risk reduction.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Is-risk-of-coronavirus-transmission-lower-15287602.php

Now, about your denial...

 

Compa

Completely wrong.

Your right to go maskless ends where my right to remain alive begins.

This is not a political issue, in spite of how hard today's neo-conservatives try to make it one. It is a scientific fact that you could be carrying this virus and not know it. It is a scientific fact that if you're talking to someone without at least a six foot distance, you could pass this virus to them, and they could get sick and even die because you thought you had the right to not wear a mask. It is a scientific fact that if we wear masks, we can control this virus until a vaccine is developed.

So man up, grow a pair, and wear a mask when you go out, if not for yourself, then for the rest of us.

 

That's a hope, not a fact.

Everyone want's to go back to normal. No one is happy about staying home all the time. But as a direct result of opening back up on Memorial Day weekend, along with protests both against masking and the BLM marches, we are now experiencing record high numbers of hospitalizations. Soon, the death count will rise accordingly.

It simply isn't safe. Wear a mask, keep your distance, and we'll get those numbers down. Meanwhile, many of the sharpests knives in the drawer are working on vaccines and effective treatments.

 

Yeah, and the Cuban that made New Coke, was a sneaky bastard, because when Classic Coke came out it was High Fructose Corn syrup and not Cuban cane sugar; the only way to accomplish not buying cane sugar from Cuba was to kill real Coke.

Swedish monsters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid_(nutrition)#:~:text=The pyramid was divided into basic foods at,an apex of supplemental meat, fish and egg.

Cotter Pin:

https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/e...d ended our troubles,to 15% of total calories.

 

Just look at the stats. Recoveries in the US far outnumber that of deaths.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Out of 2,637,892 cases, 1,093,612 have recovered so that number is indeed growing. The recovery number far surpasses the number of deaths at 128,451. That makes up 89% of the overall population that have recovered and since have been discharged. This is hard data that might suggest that the virus is not as deadly as initially suspected, despite how quickly it can spread. The rising amount of cases isn't as alarming if it results in recoveries over deaths, and the data suggests that is a possibility. The media and the governors might sound the alarm, but as long as the number of recoveries continues to grow, that's good news, not bad news because even at passive immunity, the country will become more immune to the virus going into the fourth quarter of the year, where a second wave will present itself.

Staying home all the time is more harmful than one thinks. It presents mental health risks, and could lead to an uptick in suicides and self-harm. As much as people don't like to hear it, it is not only not realistically feasible, but economically feasible to stay shut down until we have a vaccine. Reality only tells us we have no choice but to reopen like we did on Memorial Day, and hope for the best. Some will die, some will live, its the natural order of things in a pandemic, but you only invite a mental health crisis by trying to keep everyone at home where office cubicles and treadmills keep people separated from each other.