Blacks not responsible for most crime

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  1. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

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    I didn't even bother to try to disprove FBI figures, as that agency is virulently anti-Trump and will do absolutely anything to bring him down, or at the least discredit a prominent fact of American jurisprudence. "Baseless accusation" describes the entire thread. Downplaying black-on-black murders while screaming about the relatively rare police-caused death is exactly such as example.

    If Black Lives really Matter, why aren't they killing fewer blacks?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe some folks are just fishing for reasons to justify racist stereotyping and profiling. Not you of course.
     
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    Thats because they are accurate and cannot be disproven.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blacks are responsible for about 25% of all crime and 25% of all violent crime. Yet some cops think and act like the number is 100%.
     
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    Yeah, right, insinuate racism because I can see for myself that 12.3% of the population commit 25% of all crimes..or 40%, or any other figure concocted to hide statistics in liberal cities, where blacks must never be reminded of the facts. There is no racist profiling when cops are summoned to domestic violence or other even worse criminality. You imply they went looking for it. No today, where cops are increasingly reluctant to go into black neighborhoods at all for reasons of personal safety.

    Stereotyping? You imply cops do nothing but. You failed on all points.
     
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    What part of the phony FBI investigation against Trump failed to catch your interest? Or the one against Martin Luther King Jr.? You defend an out of control rogue agency.
     
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    Blacks kill about the same number of blacks as whites kill whites. They do it with one seventh of the population.
     
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    Nearly half the murders in this country are committed by 12% of the population. Those kinds of facts lead to stereotyping and profiling.
     
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    Most deaths not committed by coronavirus, but liberals focus on it.
     
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    So you have no intelligent reason to question the FBI data.

    Do you have any data that would contradict it?
     
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    Most of those murders are gang-related
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Too many cops act like they are dealing with a criminal every time they see a black person.

    And yet the data shows that there is a 75% chance they are not a criminal.

    Maybe cops should base their presumptions on actual data
     
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    Black gangs kill innocent blacks. Does that somehow make it better?
     
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    Which means there is a 25% chance they are. When you consider that a cop will encounter a number of people each day, that means it is very likely they will encounter a criminal that day. That is why cops are nervous around blacks.
     
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    It's not so much that we're shy but rather that you don't exactly have a good track record here and most of us are tired of having to correct you. I mean, you still owe me a hundred dollars from when you bet that white right-wing extremists burned down a black church. But I digress.

    If I *MUST* explain profiling to you, then here we go: Looking at your own stats - and let's start at the top with murder and manslaughter - you have a total number of 3014 arrests. Blacks being - well, let's highball it and say 16% of the population, should make up 16% of the arrests. But looky here - they make up 1,364 or 45% of the arrests when they should only make up about 482.24. I can't account for the .24 of a person is unless it's Chicago Mayor Lightfoot. So just on that stat alone when you're looking for a murder suspect you're almost three times more likely to find a black suspect than a white one. And these are YOUR OWN STATS from YOUR OWN LINK saying that blacks have a preponderance when it comes to committing murder.

    @Steve N is absolutely right - any person or opinion you end up defending is better off without you arguing their case. Maybe you should just chill out, have a cheeseburger or something. The drive-thru at Burger King is open now.
     
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    75% of all crime is not committed by black people.

    75% of all violent crime is not committed by black people.

    maybe it's time the public and police start giving black people the benefit of the doubt and not treating them all like criminals
     
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    Agree 100%. Also, most people who dislike African Americans are also anti-Semitic.
     
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    Your math is wrong. If one group comprised of 12% of the population is committing nearly half the murders, then that group is 4 times more dangerous than the other groups.
     
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    Black people constitute 13% of the population. IF their percentage of crimes committed was 13% of all crimes, that would be proportionate share. However, that is not he case, and the FBI data proves it.
    While the specific term you use "Majority of crimes" may be inaccurate.... that would be true if the number were 49% instead of 51%. But if it exceeds 13%- they are responsible for that increased level of crime. So- they are responsible for more- how much more is it?

    They are responsible for FOUR times their share of robbery. 4x13%.... 52.
    TWICE their share of rape.
    FOUR times their share of murder.

    No matter how much lipstick you try and put on the truth here- crime seems to be systemic among the black population, substantially moreso than any others.

    I hate to say that because we have a lot of very good and honorable black citizens, and they don't deserve the stigma attached here- but this is factual and true. Police will and must be more cautious when arresting black people. They have more reason to suspect them of criminality, because the primary first identifier of all of us is color. That will impose a burden on the innocent, but it is hardly something that can be ignored by any person responsible for law enforcement- or any person wanting to genuinely understand the issues.
     
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    When Democrats are involved, the word "intelligent" is definitely a misnomer. Do you have any data that suggest Joe Biden will not be treated like trash by that same FBI after this election? Can you prove the FBI investigation against Trump was 100% honest? (trick question: it wasn't.)

    And no, I do not. I told you, I didn't bother from an agency that corrupt.
     
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    Black communities have been the target of social destabilization programs implimented by our intelligence agencies going back all the way to when they first started to stand up and demand equal rights. Their subsequent overrepresentation in crime stats is the result, but not the goal. The goal has always been to create a 'bad guy' in a race war that will bring about the radical social change needed to kill individualism, self-propelled prosperity, and the republic in general.

    Fortunately, it does yet remain true that most black folks are good folks.

    As far as profiling goes, profiling is human nature. You can no more ban profiling than you can ban farting. While its true most black folks are good folks, its also true that a black person is more likely to also be a criminal than any other ethnicity, and that fact is impossible to ignore when you're out on the beat looking to prevent crime.

    If we want to stop the effects of profiling on innocent people (and we should!) we need to stop trying to catch and punish pre-crime. The war on drugs, the war on guns, the war on gangs... these are things we try to restrict because they sometimes are involved in a crime that victimizes someone. They're not crimes in-and-of themselves. Profiling would be a lot less useful and have a lot less impact on the innocent if we stopped trying to prevent crime by restricting victimless activity.
     
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    Where did you see that racial profiling is not supported? Apparently the data does support racial profiling.
     
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    'Blacks' are not responsible for any crime. It makes no sense to assign racial guilt for crime. Like when people say blacks are 20% of the population but commit half the murders or whatever.

    Nonsense. .02% of blacks ever have murdered anyone. Why does any thinking person assign guilt to the other 99.98% of non murderers? It makes no sense at all.
     
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    Ron, if 75% of police arrests are made on people other than black people, what does that tell you about racial profiling and "police assumption of black criminal activity"?
     
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