Can we be ready to open schools in the Fall?

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    Make them accommodate you or go somewhere else. They will figure something out if you are a cash buyer.
     
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    We’ve been screwing everyone else providing essential services.
     
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    Here at work an employee tested positive on Monday. They traced his known contact to 9 people. 6 of them tested positive from results sent to us today.

    Manufactured at will? Bullshit!
     
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    fuuuck
     
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    What does "manufactured as will" mean?
     
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    That missed the point.

    The statement was that checks are somehow out of vogue.

    And, my point is that businesses do NOT see it that way.
     
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    I understand your point and agree checks have outlived their usefulness. Many businesses I deal with still want a check and it’s annoying.

    I was just pointing out you have the power in your situation and should use it. I would make them agree to take cash, get the cash in $20’s or even smaller bills, and show up with it at 4:30 pm. Next time you buy they won’t hassle you. :)
     
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    It would be good if you used current numbers - not those from Feb and March. In a current chart from California alone, school aged kids (5-17yrs old) represent 6.5% of the cases with 18,686 reported cases. In the 18-34 age category, that percentage jumps to 33.6 % with 97,289 reported cases and 76 deaths.
    https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx
     
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    Yes - life has changed dramatically. And we need to start thinking in these terms before we can even contemplate next steps. Too many are just saying 'open' without thinking it all through. I have no doubt there is a solution, where we can get back to a new normal existence, but we first have to recognize that there is a problem. Too many can't even do that!
     
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    Alice Cooper was a prophet.
    The current obsolete education system needs to go, This is the perfect time to get rid of it.
     
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    I have zero problem with checks.

    Cash is just stupid. I then have to go to the bank. And, then I'm carrying around tens of thousands of dollars in CASH.

    I don't want my debit card to allow for that kind of withdrawl limit, either, nor do I want to carry that on a bank card - which is actually expensive for me or the dealership.

    I could do a bank transfer (such as when I buy a house or whatever), but that's more paperwork than a check!

    Sheesh - what the HECK is wrong with checks?

    This isn't a drug deal, so I don't need bitcoin - lol!
     
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    Good points.

    Also, death is not the only lasting damage done by COVID19.

    Recovering from COVID19 doesn't necessarily mean one is back to 100%
     
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    Writing/printing checks is a waste of valuable time. Cash is a pain but it’s the best way to get them to re-evaluate their policies.
     
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    The Left used to believe in eliminating the "middlemen" until the middlemen were government bureaucrats, politicians, and contractors. Real reform would be politically popular, but neither party really wants a better education system.

    1. Transfer control of the entire education budget to parents and guardians of children -
    14K -20K/student/year in most school systems.
    2. Eliminate the administrative parasites including the school boards.
    3. Let college grads, including teachers, form their own small schools 15 - 20 students for each teacher from homes or offices using the resources of the internet.
    4. Teachers who are able to control and educate "problem" students could charge far more for their special talent.

    Teachers operating these small dispersed very local schools would make far more than union teachers make now and have plenty of cash to provide children with access to computers, large HD monitors, and a good healthy lunch.
     
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    I know of NO policies that I would want changed in any way.

    Again, carrying cash like that is just plain stupid.
     
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    Most parents in the USA don't have 14k to 20k per child per year to spend on education.

    Education is important to the USA. Valuing education as the investment a parent MIGHT choose to make would be the largest catastrophe we could wreck on our economy, our competitiveness as a nation, our ability to rule ourselves (as democracy requires an educated population making wise decisions), our standard of living.

    There really isn't a worse decision we could make than to decide to kill education like you propose.
     
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    If anybody can restore and move things forward, it's the people that are standing on the front line. Nevertheless, that approach makes way too much sense to be seriously considered. ;-)
     
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    Exactly. Acknowledging a problem is the first step.
     
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    Each district will have to decide for themselves.

    Middle of Montana, why not?
    Middle of Houston Tx,? Likely not.
     
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    Private educators have no interest in educating. They only seek to maximize profits at the expense of kids learning.
     
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    Our corrupt bipartisan ruling political class exploits every crisis. Problem solving does not generate enough loot.

    “In recent years, despite thousands of bills introduced into Congress every year, only a small percentage (approximately 5%) become law. Of course, what matters for laws is quality not quantity. But why would legislators bother to introduce so many hopeless bills? What if they are not even designed to pass? What if they are instead designed to make money? The cold harsh reality in Washington is this: the very conditions that are so maddening for most Americans —gridlock, problems being ignored, hyper partisanship — are the very conditions that are most lucrative for the Permanent Political Class. Washington may not be working for citizens, but it's working quite well for members of the Permanent Political Class who profit handsomely.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 7, 8.
     
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    I'm in Northern IL. Our governor has set out a restoration plan with 5 phases. Creating a treatment plan and/or vaccines could take years. Our economy doesn't have that kind of time.

     
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    That would be ideal, but I'm concerned the feds will want to take over the process. A broad brush of bureaucracy is NOT the solution by any means.
     
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    The front line in education is the teachers.

    And, the proposal pretty much eliminates the very idea of teaching as a valued profession by fragmenting teaching into individuals hired by parents.

    That eliminates methods of creating and supporting standards and methodology that all professions find critical. It devalues teaching to what indiviidual parents can afford at a time when half of America can't even pay taxes.

    And, it denies that America has a critical interest in the education of EVERY child, as our economy depends on that.

    We moved from 8th grade education to required and free high school because our economy required that. We did it because parents could not and did not. Now, we need to be moving farther ahead that simply high school. And, the vast majority of parents can't do that, either.

    Our economy, America's competitiveness, and our standard of living are depending more and more on advanced education.

    Trashing our education system such as proposed would thus be a crushing blow to America.
     
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    It didn't just shut down the entire nation. Actually, the entire nation didn't shut down.

    But many many countries around the globe shut down. Limited travel.

    Brazil did not. Now they are paying the price.
     

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