Florida official who opposed local mask mandate in ‘critical condition’ with COVID-19

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    So if you wore a mask you would be continually touching it? And how would you touching your mask harm me?
     
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    Are you just trolling at this point? Pretend you touch raw chicken and then go touching random surfaces in public.
     
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    No I'm not trolling. You still have not said why a mask does not work. All this rubbish you keep posting is about how the user does not know how to use a mask, which is not evidence that a mask does not work. Why can't you resist touching your mask?
     
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    Isn't the point that while masks can provide a measure of defense, they aren't necessarily a guarantee? People aren't perfect. We don't live in sterile environments. In fact, in some respects, a sterile environment is as beneficial to an introduced virus as to a person because it has no natural enemies to kill it. In an organic garden, it is the balance of insects rather than an absence of them that provide a healthy garden. At any rate, there is not one right way for everyone.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:

    Bravo my friend!!!
    Here is an interesting bit of research that states they found even silk scarves to be “surprisingly effective”

    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

    Research backing the use of masks to prevent coronavirus spread

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

    https://www.eurotimes.org/research-supports-use-of-face-masks-as-protection-against-virus/

    https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent/
     
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    No one has ever said that masks give a guarantee
     
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    Thank you! It does make sense that silk cloth is a tightly woven natural fabric and would be more effective than man-made cotton cloth masks. there's filters for masks sold on Amazon. They come in packs of multiples and they are constructed to fit inside a cloth mask. The material they're made from is similar to that of a N95 mask. People have also been using pieces of vacuum cleaner 'hepa' filter bags. They are 99.9% effective.

    Masks are not a guarantee a person won't get the virus but they sure are better than nothing.
     
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    That last link suggests that it will reduce your risk by 65% (approx) - so that is more than half the risk of NOT wearing one

    Not ideal but better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick
     
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    So the main arguments against wearing a mask seem to be “I don’t wear one because not everyone wears them properly,” or “I don’t wear one because they are not perfect,” or “I don’t understand that masks are more about
    Reducing the particles I exhale rather than being a perfect barrier against contracting the virus.”

    Someone really needs to explain the age old concept of The Perfect being the enemy of the Good to these people.
     
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    half glass full or glass half empty. I have N95 masks that have the exhalation valve and for the first two months, all I wore out was one of those masks. I had been self-quarantining, staying out of stores and social distancing and was pretty certain I was not an asymptomatic carrier of Covid-19. Then we were told 'no, don't wear those, save those for medical use'. So I got the cloth type and paper 'surgical mask' style. I started to wear those for a short time and didn't feel protected at all. Now that my states numbers have flattened, I will wear the cloth type but careful to keep a good distance and use my hand sanitizer that's always in my pocket frequently. If our infection rates start to rise again, I'm going back to the N95 mask.
     
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    That's precisely the reason why you should be doing these things. Think of it this way. Their germs are your germs, and all for free unless you protect yourself against their germs.
     
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    yup

    it gives a false sense of security to the mask aficionados. Mask up/mask down, i see folks do that exercise several times per minute as they try to speak with each other, or just fidget with the cute, home made mask or the cheap 12 for $5 masks. In the meantime, they touch everything, put their fingers near their eyes and nose to adjust the mask but they are protected, they are masked up

    Shields are up capt kirk, i am masked up
     
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    And none of what they are doing is a threat to you, but their wearing of a mask does reduce the likelihood of them infecting you
     
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    it is the mask aficionados getting infected because they feel they have some type of shield in place. For Heaven's sake, wash your hands and stop touching your face. Masks...if you need a security blanket, have at it; it's not helping but it does give comfort to some and to politicians who want to appear as if they are doing something with mask mandates
     
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    Again, for the 1 millionth time - the masks are used to reduce transmission of the virus from you to other people. It's common curtesy, like sneezing into your elbow rather than just on the people around you. Why is that so hard for some to understand? It ain't rocket science.

    And the argument that "not everybody does it right, so therefor why do it at all," is pure ignorant bull crap.
     
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    Let us utilize some simple logic, here we go. The mask is supposed to "block" the virus, right? How? You may ask, by the mask "stopping" it. So where is the virus that was blocked? On the outside of the mask, obviously. So lets constantly touch our mask and then touch random surfaces and objects in public...See where I'm going here?
     
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    the mask aficionados touch inside their mask, they touch fresh produce and fruit, they touch everything after touching inside their mask

    I've yet to see 1 mask wearer not fidget with their mask and I've yet to see 1 mask wearer not touch things
     
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    Fear mongering.

    I already wear a mask as little as I can. My tyrannical county has made mask wearing mandatory, so I have to wear one at work, but I have now moved all of my economic activity out of the county. I've chosen to be peaceable and comply with the tyrannical policy, but I do cheat and wear it below my nose as often as I can (which is more often than not). Others in (or working in) the county are choosing to practice civil disobedience, simply refusing to comply with the policy no matter the cost.
     
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    Links are not proofs.

    You can look up N95 specs for yourself. You can look up virus specs for yourself. You can look up all-cause mortality rates for yourself and see that they are not out of line with any other year, especially in areas which didn't pull the "nursing home mass-homicide" nonsense that NYC pulled (by letting sick people back into such care facilities while they were still sick)...
     
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    If that infected person coughs on you, you will be wishing they wore a mask
     
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    No, it will be on the inside of the mask. How many times does it need to be said!
     
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    They don't protect anyone...

    No they don't. Look at the N95 specs. Look at virus specs. Look at droplet specs.

    Bigotry. (treating everyone as if they are infected)

    Masks don't protect anyone from viruses.

    I get it. Apparently you don't, though.

    It seems as if you don't.


    Virtue signaling.
    Religious fundamentalism. (Church of the Mask)

    There is no set distance for how far a cough travels. Coughs vary. It doesn't even matter how far they travel, but just that they travel at all. Remember that this is an airborne virus. A mask does not stop a virus, and this is even if worn correctly and all the time, regardless of the fact that they are usually not worn correctly, not worn all the time, get taken off/on/off/on continuously for various reasons (eat/drink/blow nose/itch face/etc)...

    This whole thing is a stupid hoax and you've fallen for it.
     
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    why would someone cough on you? We didn't do it prior to Covid

    Why would someone with symptoms, including coughing, be out and about? Does masking up with the cute home-made masks give them some false sense of invincibility?
     
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    Americans have very appetite for discipline, or for being advised what's best for their health. Discipline was at the core of Americans over the years, that's how we managed to survive as a country all the things we have survived in the past.

    No, it's not easy to reset your life, it's just goes against the grain to be forced to modify your lifestyle in any way. I hate to say it, but those days are past and moving forward, if we all want to get out of this alive, with jobs, with an economy that will recovery, we absolutely all have to be on the same page during this pandemic. There's no way out of it alive if we don't.
    Europe is coming out of it, they did what they had to do, they shut down, stopped the spread, gingerly opened up their businesses and now their economies are already beginning to recover nicely.

    That's never going to happen in the US unless we all unify under one common goal and all do exactly what the experts say we should be doing.
     
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    People don't like their ability to make their own healthcare decisions being taken away from them. This is what the government is telling people: that they are incapable of making their own healthcare decisions.

    If you value your freedoms/liberties AT ALL, then you should vote Republican come November... The Dems are going to take them all away, as we have been seeing in the last few months especially...
     

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