New Third Party Forming: #Unity2020

Bret Weinstein is trying to form a new party for people who are sick and tired of both Republicans and Democrats. This is pie-in-the-sky for 2020 in my opinion. They are just too late and don't have candidates yet, but I think it may be interesting for 2024. They are running a hashtag of #Unity2020 and a party name of Articles Of Unity.

The idea is for a moderate Democrat and a moderate Republican to run as a team. If elected, they would govern together and any decisions would have to be agreed upon by both.

They would run for four years, then switch places. The Vice President would run as President for a second term of the team. Since an individual can be President for 2 terms, this team could actually run together for 4 terms.

Weinstein has picked his ideal candidates as William McRaven on the right and Andrew Yang on the left. (I doubt that either will accept for 2020, so they're likely to have to scramble for candidates this year.)

Weinstein's idea requires of candidates only three qualities (which I find vague and open to interpretation): Patriotic, Courageous, and Highly Capable.

1) Who would be your "Dream Team"? You must pick one conservative and one liberal, according to the new party's rules.

2) What do you think, in general, about the concept? Could a centrist, bipartisan party have a chance as divided as we are right now, or is the majority sick and tired of career partisan elites who do nothing but fight with each other, accomplish nothing, and divide us?

https://www.articlesofunity.com/about

 

I think this country really needs a viable centrist party.
Republicans and Democrats have become the Hatfields and McCoys. Too much history on both sides.
A third party would allow Republican and Democrat Representatives to have cover to vote outside party lines.

 

The 2 party system will never ever allow such a thing to happen. They, the elites, have it just how they want it. Easy for incumbents to get reelcted. Almost impossible to not get reelected.

But, if they don't get it going at local/state levels, it will never materialize at Fed level.

But going off top of head, each party claims to have about 35% of the voters.

That leave about 30% as Independent. And this seems to rise most every year.

 

Third parties do nothing but dilute the vote of one party which is generally their purpose.

 

But what do you think of the Unity strategy to run a conservative and a liberal together as a team?

We have a 3rd Party President in office now. If the DNC hadn't screwed with Bernie, he would likely be the nominee (and he might have been the choice in 2016). He's a 3rd Party (which is why they cheated him).

I think a 3rd Party not running under the D or R umbrella (sort of cheating "the system") may be viable in 2024. Everything depends, of course, on who the candidates are for the D, for the R, and for a 3rd Party. The internet and social media make it possible for candidates to run without all the big donor financing.

Seems like if the D and R running extreme platforms which collide with each other and keep the country divided regardless who wins, then this is prime time for a Centrist Party to step in. Well, not 2020 (too late), but by 2024 after 4 more years of anxiety either way.

 

But "pretend". What do you think of the idea?

 

So basically a platform for neocons and the few Democrats left who aren't complete idiots. They fair better just taking over the libertarian party that can't agree among themselves about much if anything.

 

1. I think that you are right that we have a de facto third party as President now. Trump did a hostile takeover of the GOP.

2. The consequences, is that Trump has no actual allies in government, either in the Congress or among any of the permanent parts of government. He's an outsider who has been stymied by the establishment at every turn.

3. So why would you think it would be different for any other third party candidate? Wouldn't they be sabotaged just like Trump has been?

 

Yes, but Weinstein's "Dream Team" are both people who have no background or experience in elected political positions. They are still "outsiders" to the currently failing system.

 

I agree it's too late for 2020, but Why cant we just present an independent candidate and have independent primaries using the existing registered independents?

I'm sure I'm missing something in the nuts and bolts part. But I'd switch to (I) for just about any reason, participate in the primary, watch the debates, and give them a chance to earn my November vote.

 

If they want to become a viable political party they have to make it a federal party in all 50 states. With a unified approach to party politics.

 

So is the entire libertarian party. As far as I know none of them have ever held a national and frankly they could some one other than Mr too long at the bong, and the rogue internet security dude.

 

Yes. That was one thought. Trump entered office with no real allies among the Democrats or Republicans. Republicans are doing a "grin and bear it" form of support, because they don't want to tick off, and lose, 60 million or more voters.

So, I did think that this Centrist Party idea may be flawed in starting at the top level, and may not have any more support in Congress than Trump has had. On the other hand, if the people elect a bi-partisan "team", call it a "Collaborative Co-Presidency", don't both sides of the aisle have really intense pressure to compromise on many issues which the majority of all voters would like addressed which get ignored because fighting and blaming is more dramatic and they don't have to actually do anything but obstruct each other constantly.

Plus, we don't get to pick two people for one seat in Congress and force them to compromise. The idea of "Two Presidents in One" is sort of intriguing, I think.

 

The RP never has an extreme platform. It rarely has a substantive platform which is why so many Republicans in Congress and their party are at risk. Everything the RP stands for has been entirely consistent with recent DP positions on almost every issue. The RP is not divisive. It is Tweedle dum.

“The system is functioning precisely how they want it to function. Gridlock, complex laws, highly technical bills, and regulations that target specific groups have a commercial purpose for the Permanent Political Class.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, Buy Votes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 8.

 

What the united states, and the rest of the world by extension, is truly in need of is an extinction-class event to occur. The human race as a whole has devolved into nothing more than a self-destructive mistake that will wipe itself out through its own endeavors.

 

they invaded iraq, al gore probably would have stopped at afghanistan.

 

We Got Screwed With The AMERICA ELECTS
movement!

They got on all State ballots then failed to "run".

Also I dislike Centrists and a Moderate / Moderate movement
is repulsive.
Just more Bubba Clinton, Bush Jr or Sr, Obama.
What Do They have in common?
Low Leadership Aptitude.
And deployments to foreign wars too
How About a, "Less Deployments" Party? ala Gabbard



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Because an Independent candidate will pick a VP who "thinks like him". Republicans pick Republican VP's. Democrat pick Democrats VP's.

Weinstein's concept forces communication, deliberation and compromise. The country would not swing hard in one direction for four to eight years and the the other direction for the next four to eight years. It might be kind of "boring", but I think a "team" of leaders who have some natural conflicts could focus on very low-hanging fruit and push through some sensible "moderate" legislation which would not have half the country's panties in a wad.

Depending on the candidates (which is everything), I'd give it a try for four years, on the thinking "What do we have to lose from this point in time." Since 2008, maybe further back, we're bouncing of the rails and half the country gets bruised while the other half laughs at those being bruised. The next four years will be no different.

I'm tired of it.

If we don't figure out some way to compromise, this country is toast. We can't have a civil society with 50% winners and 50% losers, and the table turns "sides" every four to eight years.

 

I give Weinstein and E for effort. A third party will only win when it has a platform that will attract a large majority of voters across the spectrum. IOW, proposals that would deliver a significant immediate positive outcome for the voters if enacted.

I can think of a few. For instance something like a real school choice proposal I have thrown out here several times.

1. Transfer control of the entire education budget to parents and guardians of children -
14K -20K/student/year in most school systems.
2. Eliminate the administrative parasites including the school boards.
3. Let college grads, including teachers, form their own small schools 15 - 20 students for each teacher from homes or offices using the resources of the internet.
4. Teachers who are able to control and educate "problem" students could charge far more for their special talent.

Savvy DP Politics 101:

1. Take tax revenue and power from your political opposition.
2. Transfer that revenue and power to your base.

A real new and smarter party would follow Rule 101 with a vengeance.

 

Weinstein is going to throw some team together for 2020, so they'll probably have to "borrow" an existing party. This reminds me of the NeverTrump team scramble to find someone in 2016. It took them too long to find someone willing to be the candidate and ended with a no name nobody.

There isn't enough time for Weinstein's idea to fly in 2020, but plenty of time to organize and promote for 2024....if he's serious about it in the longer run (and not just desperate today about "this year").

 

I'm too old to like that idea. Ross Perot.

 

Gore would have needed some excuse to burn the oil fields in Kuwait and Iraq because Nuclear Winter has not been used to stop Global Warming. Gore would have been a serious warmonger - but only to save the planet.
So it would have been - like okay.

 

Oh and one other the half with real political and government experience, the Neocons, are in a large measure part of the problem not part of the solution.

 

Vote DP for Self-Extinction!
I think Biden could sell that one.

 

UnityParty... first thing I tho't was "Never Trumpers" and Trump haters from the RINO Corp.
second thing I tho't , the only way there will be unity is if we destroy the Left or...... capitulate to them..and WE ARE NEVER GOING TO AGREE WITH THE TOTALITARIAN LEFTIST>