Subsaharan African Average IQ - a global, undeniable phenomenon

All of this is addressed in our founding documents. "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." It's called equal rights. Ones IQ, like gender, is pertinent to the individual, but covered under the skirt of liberty. All that matters is that God made all of us. Which means we all matter. Now what we all do with our lives is another thing.

 

It's too laborious trying to follow what you are talking about when you use that mass-quote-then-number-points format instead of responding to each point directly. So I'm just going to respond to the immediate context.

Now to address this latest smoke screen:

Calling facts "opinion, supposition and conjecture" does not make them not facts, sorry. If there is a specific fact I have identified that you take issue with, ask for a source for THAT FACT. I'm not going to provide sources for indisputable facts everyone reading this is familiar with. And FYI, sources are only valid when they support your claims. Your sources don't.

Nope. You only provided a red herring that did not support your claim. Claiming something is far different from proving such using facts and logic.

YOU are the one who has to prove that your source supports your claim. And you can't. It's not my responsibility to go through your source, quote every sentence in order, and say, "See? That sentence doesn't support what you said either."

It does no such thing, and no such thing was shown. If you are going to claim such effects are the source of the population difference, it is up to YOU to show what fraction of the population in question was thus affected; you haven't, and I suspect you can't.

I do indeed get the picture: it's anyone who knows something of psychometrics, and thus disagrees with you.

False.

No it wasn't. You are just makin' $#!+ up again. Some butt-hurt leftist anti-IQ clowns like Stephen Jay Gould screamed about it, but their objections were all red herrings and strawman fallacies.

What are you even talking about? What "twins basis"?

No, they did not "get nailed." Some butt-hurt anti-IQ leftists screamed that the data were not perfect, but that is part of the limitations of meta-studies: you are working with data of varying quality.

But greatly inferior knowledge of the field.

Irrelevant ad hominem fallacy.

Poisoning the well.

To try to understand reality.

East Asians reliably score higher than whites on IQ tests. Having lived and worked in Japan for three years, my personal opinion is that the average Japanese is indeed smarter than the average white. So much for your asinine "white superiority" garbage.

No, YOU are misrepresenting their content.

As they say in Japan, "It's mirror time!"

Ah, no. YOU have to show how your source backs YOUR claim. I am not required to prove a negative.

That article shows I'm right and you are wrong.

I.e., NOT your ability to understand, which is what intelligence is.

Absurd and irrelevant propaganda.

I DID deny it. It's nonsense no more relevant to measurement of intelligence than ability to play tiddlywinks.

 

Because that's not the purpose of the testing. That's the purpose of research about the testing. A scale doesn't say what or how much you ate. It just says how much you weigh.

 

I don't understand it that way.

Yes.

Not necessarily. It may simply be that low IQ in early childhood tends to stay low while higher IQ develops more later because more intelligent kids are more attracted to activities that help develop their intelligence, like reading.

Huh? That is not what you were saying. What is indisputable is that there is a genetic difference between Africans and non-Africans.

But the fact of genetic difference between African and non-African populations is indisputable.

That depends on what is being tested.

That depends on the test.

The claim from the anti-IQ left is that those amount to the same thing.

Right. Questioning science is good. Ideologically based rejection of science is not questioning.

Lots of things. Just in different degrees.

That's a different ability.

 

I agree . We all matter. So low IQ people need extra help. Success is tied to IQ. Especially when labor has little value due to our people being forced to compete with the poor from communists and the poor from bad govts like you see with Mexico.

 

No it's crap GOP propaganda and racist.

 

They don't but coaching, at least in regards to IQ, doesn't really do much. You can't be trained to get a significantly higher IQ.

 

you think the gop created an internet meme from 4chan... man you should get out more.

 

Whoa! Hold the phone! Are you calling the Allied Nations of WWII "white supremacists"? I would STRONGLY advise you to keep that blather to yourself during Veterans Day if you want to live another year. But hope springs eternal, here's a little something for your education: Ethiopia, India, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, countries that are not on the aryan nation standards of white supremacists list …. and China was one of the big four in the fight. Hell, if everyone had listened to Haile Selassie, all that Nazi/Nippon BS would have been squashed way earlier! Now run-a-long and make excuses for your folly.

 

In an alternative reality or parallel universe would you be surprised if Primates ruled the world as cognitive speaking creatures and that the species of homo sapiens never speak much less have an I Q greater than 70....because of genetics.

And yet we have creatures that coexist on this planet for millions of years before mankind was breathing death and wars.

Forget about the IQ of the African Races.....Its non negotiable, 400 Years ago they were primative based on cultural heritage. How did the Caucasian wind up the more advanced culture?

Just for fun...mongolians developed a calender 5000 years ago.

I Think we are missing the point, why are we here? Certainly not to enslave and destroy creation.

 

as the reader can see, Bringiton brings NOTHING when properly challenged....calling names, saying "your wrong" without and fact based logical rebuttal, refusing to meet a simple burden of proof but offering bluster and bluff as a substitute, lying about what has previously transpired and feigning confusion when the chronology of the posts clearly shows anything but is a pretty pathetic ploy on BIO's part. Essentially, Bio's hit the wall and can no longer logically or factually defend his position...repetition and the nonsense seen here is all he has. One has only to backtrack the exchanges to see his intellectually dishonest machinations. No point in my wasting time and space on him any further.

 

Of course they were White Supremacist. The US fought WWII with a segregated Army, for crying out loud!

 

Ahh, but unlike your mindset, some folk grew up an saw the error of their ways...like Truman did before the Korean War. And I don't recall WWII America advocating "ovens" and "gas chambers" for Jews. 'Nuff said.

 

Sure, there was less antisemitism but there was Jim Crow laws. Whatever happened afterwards, the Americans were White Supremacist. North Africa and India were European colonies where the natives were second class citizens. And sub-Saharan Africa (save Ethiopia) was carved up into European colonies.

WWII was a dispute between White Supremacists.

 

Yes, as a population. That is not the same as a claim that environment has no effect.

What do you mean? The difference was already there, it was just smaller.

Or if you can't read, or can't understand what you read.

Yes, and there may be complex relationships among the relevant genes' effects. Allele X might increase intelligence in the presence of allele Y, but reduce it in the presence of allele Z. Probably only advanced AI will be able to figure it all out, based on a huge database of full individual genomes and associated intelligence-related data including but not limited to IQ test scores on multiple instruments.

Yes, and it is also clear that in a population such as that of an advanced industrialized democracy, where almost all children have similar diets, watch similar TV shows, play similar computer games, spend time at similar SNS websites, go to similar public schools, etc., genetic factors play a larger role than environmental ones. Only in a small fraction of individual cases -- FAS, severe neglect, traumatic injury to the brain, heavy metal poisoning, etc. -- are environmental factors more important, and they happen to white as well as non-white children.

"Less evolved"? What would such a claim even mean?

That genetic factors are important contributors to racial differences in measured IQ is definitely supported by science, including cross-racial adoption studies.

False. There is ample scientific evidence that in a population such as that of the USA and other advanced industrialized democracies, where poor people are fatter than rich ones, the environment is so similar for almost every child that genetic factors play a larger role.

Huh? We are talking about small differences between large populations. What other kind of evidence could there be but statistics?

Why are all forms of human genetic racial diversity to be celebrated, except IQ?

But the genetic part cannot be partly racial...? That is ideology talking, not science.

 

So is homeopathy. That doesn't mean it works.

There's very little science to indicate that the effect is significant for highly g-loaded tests. If you are talking about the LSAT, GMAT, or subject-specific GRE, where the items tend to be more directly related to a specific field of study, that's different.

 

Dunno if I've been ninjaed on this.



In light of things we know like this, the question is, what fair and reasonable thing to do to bring about a more just world with a diminished income gap?

 

You are describing your own "contributions."

I invite readers to do so and confirm yours. No point in my wasting time and space on you any further.

 

Not denying the systemic racism in America, or the results of the YALTA summit or England's & France's imperialist/colonialist ways.....just pointing out the extremist view point you have regarding history. If what you say were 100% valid, then I would not be here and you would have a totally different life (if you were to exist), as pure white supremacist don't tolerate the what Truman did, or the Civil Rights movement, etc., etc.

And categorizing America not even considering much less enacting a "final solution" as "less antisemitism" speaks volumes of your mindset.

 

One of the most intelligent places on earth, is Calcutta. Highest percentage of high IQ's.

Dark skinned, and very VERY poor. Malnutrition is rife.

 

Until those 'darker races' get access to the stuff we have, then they go nuts (what with being just as human as whites).

Attributing some kind of essential good to people according to skin tone, is sh!tty as hell, with respect.