Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  2. No.

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  3. Don't know, no opinion.

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Uhm, yeah, OK...
     
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    There are a lot of poor folk.

    I have a degree in Nuclear Engineering

    I am part of the 42% of America making 15$ an hr or less.

    My Choice.. Most Utility Companies won't hire a non Trump supporter

    I talk politics at work too.. significantly impacted my income

    Apartment maintenance and affordable housing are a way of life man.. You just want to kill us all??
     
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    “The common argument that crime is caused by poverty is a kind of slander on the poor” — H.L. Mencken
     
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    (original)late Banned

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    Ahh, you have a better plan, send in paramilitary forces to escalate the violence, make Dem cities burn.

    Well, it's better if the last thing you want is equality..
     
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    Conservative Democrat Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but only if they submit to sterilization. It is not their fault they're stupid. Nevertheless, I do not want them to urinate into the gene pool. I am not saying all blacks are stupid, just most of them. The average IQ for an American Negro is 85. The U.S. military will not take recruits with IQ's lower than that. We are moving to a time when half the Negro population will be unemployable.

    I also want blacks to be subdued by a harsh criminal justice system. When they were, their crime rate was lower.
     
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    This is a disgusting thread.
     
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    Do you feel that this thread rises to the level where it should be removed or banned from not only this site but should not be discussed in any media?

    Is it so clear that it is wrong that it should not be allowed to be discussed?

    And if so, then what examples of other speech should be immediately squelched for the good of society?
     
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    Sinks, not rises. I did not recommend suppression of free speech.
     
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    You didn’t recommend it but do you support it for this kind of speech?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The more they deny their racism, the more blatant their racism gets.
     
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    Because this started out as the role of intelligence, and because the rise of modern society is used as evidence of the intellectual superiority responsible for the rise of society, I have to wonder where we'd be if the only purpose of education was to put food on the table. Isn't that the major concern of Sub-Saharan Africans? Isn't their concern putting food on the table? While that is a basic and essential concern, is there more to life than that?

    Edit--If not for liberal arts, we would likely have missed the Enlightenment period and would still be stuck with the Great Chain of Being and we only know about the Enlightenment and Great Chain of Being because of History--which is an art, not a science. Those Arts show us how to think differently, how to think critically, how to think inclusively, and allow us to use our creative intelligence to improve our civilization. As I said before, language is at the core of human intelligence, yet things related to language such as History, Linguistics and English are Arts, not Sciences.
     
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    The Sub-Saharan reference relates to today. The fact that there was no desert there is really not a relevant point. My question was about the cause of the migration--was it genetic in origin? Did they have some advantage over those who stayed?
     
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    Some of the ideas here are totally repulsive, but really need to be discussed intelligently. It seems like there has been a recent revival of this Bell-Curve concept, and we need to do our homework and learn, not just rely on our biases and stereotypes. Is the information presented valid or is it just assumptions made from something more objective? What challenges and support is there for all this? How do we know what counts as solid evidence? Why is this issue resurfacing now?

    It should be discussed.
     
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    I agree that no political speech should be banned and the findings of the Bell Curve are no longer in the realm of the peer reviewed as even administering an IQ test is now illegal in most school districts in the US.

    Out of sight out of mind. Problem solved.

    Here is an example of speech that makes me want to wretch as I have four daughters all white but I still support the right to say it. Should this kind of speech be outlawed? Hate speech right?

    Eldridge Cleaver described his rape of white women as “an insurrectionary act” “It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law … defiling his women.”

    “I wanted to send waves of consternation through the white race,” he said.

    He also said that he practiced this by practicing on Black women first.

    This is the more complete quotation I just found.

    “Rape was an insurrectionary act.It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man's law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women - and this point, I believe was the most satisfying to me because I was very resentful over the historical fact of how the white man has used the black woman. I felt I was getting revenge. From the site of the act of rape, consternation spreads outwardly in concentric circles. I wanted to send waves of of consternation throughout the white race.”

    If this is not hate speech, then what is?

    Cleaver was not just pondering. He was actually jailed for this!
     
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    I'm assuming that self reliance refers to the ability to feed yourself and family. But let's put things into a larger context--we are animals on a planet. All we really need is food, water, and shelter. We have created a "civilization" that has drastically changed how we live, yet is not necessary for survival. Any education needed to exist in this civilization is ultimately an act of arrogance and selfishness because we don't need all that. We can survive as hunter gatherers and scavengers. Anything beyond that is unnecessary, and all that we do is actually just an extension of those basic needs for survival. When we look at it that way, it's clear we do a lot of wasting.
     
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    I’m afraid that almost 8 billion people can’t live in a hunter gather economy or even an agrarian economy. Malthus predicted our demise long ago but did not account for new agrarian techniques. I fear we have pushed the limits of that as well and while Caucasians have self limited their population growth the same cannot be said for Asians and people of Africa and African descent. But when Bernie Sanders suggested these groups also self limit he was accused of racism.

    This is another issue worthy of discussion but immediately shut down by the PC community.
     
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    Yeah, that's pretty repulsive. I went to Buzz Feed a few days ago and there was an article about a woman who divorced her husband and now enjoys her sex life. While I was having one of those "wut?" moments, the author went on to describe how much she enjoyed being chocked while having aggressive and "forceful" sex. It's hard to judge things in terms of hate speech when the concept is so convoluted.

    The problem I have with hate speech is where we draw the line. Free speech is vital.
     
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    Not immediately, and not for a long time. The genetic advantage began to evolve with agriculture, which began in the Fertile Crescent about 11,000 years ago. Agriculture required different characteristics than hunting and gathering. Non cosmetic differences between whites and blacks can be explained by the different amount of time each race has evolved in response to agriculture and civilization.

    Agriculture requires the ability to plan for the future and to delay gratification. No matter how hungry one gets one cannot eat the grain reserved for the next planting season. One cannot butcher all of one's farm animals. Some need to be preserved to give birth to more farm animals. What Paleolithic hunters do not eat rots, so they have no need to defer gratification after a successful hunt. When blacks and whites earn the same amount of money blacks are less prone to save money and more prone to go into debt.

    When farmers butcher a farm animal, they need to dispose of the remains, or they will decay, draw flies, and spread disease. Paleolithic hunters are always on the move. When the remains of an animal they have killed decay they will be somewhere else. Blacks are more prone to litter than whites. One can readily see this when walking in a black neighborhood.

    Civilization exerts more population pressure for intelligence than a Paleolithic or a Neolithic existence. Intelligent men usually become merchants, money lenders, government officials, and so on. They become prosperous. Until recently they had more children who reached adulthood. Criminals in a civilization were until recently usually killed at the scene of the crime, they died in custody, or they were executed. The few children some had rarely lived to adulthood.

    A tribal society selects for physical aggressiveness. All men participate in the wars. The best warriors had more than one wife, and consequently more sons who inherited their violent inclinations and aptitudes. Men are expected to avenge wrongs done to them, their friends, and their relatives.

    This is why Orientals and whites have lower crime rates and higher IQ averages than Negroes. Characteristics that enabled the ancestors of Negroes to thrive in the tribal societies of sub Saharan Africa earn for many of them felony convictions in civilized countries.

    I define a civilization as a city based society where the government has the effective monopoly on the legitimate use of violence.
     
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    It's insane, isn't it? Do you remember when we were at less than half this population? I had it in my mind that limits to food production and an abundance of pollution would hit in my lifetime, but I didn't take the idea of a pandemic so seriously.
     
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    We agree on this but a woman enjoying violent sex may be sick but at least consensual but rape never is.
     
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    pandemics will happen more and more as we become more concentrated. The only way to solve this is if we cull ourselves but most people refuse to do this. I have no solutions as forcing solutions seem quite draconian.

    At least this pandemic is so mild.
     
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    Grease up the Boxcars, get the Crematoria ready.

    The one good thing about these types, they just can't wait to get started on their real agendas, and so let us know right soon what they're really all about.
     
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    If we're going to claim all this is the result of genes and evolution, then the best we can say about this is that it's assumptions. There are other rational explanations for all this.

    I see a good bit of stereotyping here. Blacks are more prone to litter, are less likely to save money, are more criminal, etc.--those are all stereotypes that I don't think are accurate and have nothing to do with genetics. The rise of civilization based on having more and more can also be described as an illness in the sense that never having enough and never being satisfied drives our existence--there is nothing but opinion that serves as any authority about the rise of civilization being a good thing.

    The focus on economics and accumulation of wealth requires a kind of warrior mentality that is ruthless and can be brutally aggressive. It creates an artificial sense of survival, sufficiency, and need. We throw out more food than we eat.

    I'm not sure where the idea of a city-state that has a despotic (violent) power over people comes in to this discussion. I, for one, would not yield to that kind of power over the individual.
     
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    The advent of full genome sequencing technology probably has something to do with it, because it will enable a definitive answer to the question of intelligence, genetics and race. I suspect that answer will not please -- may indeed be fatal to -- the radically egalitarian left who consider race a societal construct based on power, class and economics, with little basis in biology.
     

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