White Supremacy Shaped American Christianity, Researcher Says

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  1. Derideo_Te

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    Disclaimer: Picking the appropriate forum for this thread posed a dilemma because the topic encompases religion, race and the politics of white supremacy. After giving it some thought and considering that religion does play a big role in politics and so does race in this election that this is the appropriate forum. Feel free to move it elsewhere if my decision is the wrong one.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-supremacy-christianity-robert-jones_n_5f19f5abc5b6296fbf3fc4f8

    That is a lot to digest all at once and there is even more at the link.

    In essence Robert Jones is SPEAKING the TRUTH to the (political) POWER of white Christians in our nation at this point in time when white supremacy and RACISM are on a COLLISION course. The author has both the CREDIBILITY and the CREDENTIALS to present this POLITICAL truth and his TIMING could not be more appropriate IMO.

    The goal of this thread is to EXPOSE the BLIND SPOT so that it can be addressed OPENLY and HONESTLY because isn't it the goal of ALL Christians to SEEK the TRUTH no matter WHERE it may be found?

    So what form of JUSTICE are white Christians willing to offer?

    What potential SOLUTIONS are out there that will make this happen?

    What REFORMS need to be IMPLEMENTED?

    What kind of GENUINE reconciliation, that INCLUDES real JUSTICE, be reached?

    What can individual white Christians DO that would be PROACTIVE when it comes to RESOLVING the current crisis?

    Yes, the above are difficult questions and will probably take some thought, and prayer, to find the ANSWERS.

    However the SEARCH for TRUTH and JUSTICE is never easy and FAILURE is NOT an option.

    As JFK said "we do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard".

    We, as a nation, NEED to find these answers so perhaps the first question to answer if you are a white Christian is are you WILLING to be part of the SOLUTION?
     
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    After the Apartheid era ended in South African Bishop Edmund Tutu together with Nelson Mandela formed the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

    The goal was simple.

    If anyone, black or white, came forward and confessed to any crimes that they committed there would be no criminal charges.

    The net effect of this was to PURGE the nation of the HATRED that had been festering because of the RACIST Apartheid regime's policies of white supremacy.

    About two decades later a British corporation tried to reignite racism in South Africa and they were CONDEMNED for that attempt by ALL races because NO ONE wanted to return to that odious racist past.

    There is a LESSON to be learned from that "shithole" nation and perhaps something SIMILAR could be done here as one of the potential SOLUTIONS given that it addressed the INJUSTICES of RACISM and white supremacy in what is a Christian nation.
     
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    Load of crap. Slavery in Pennsylvania was brought to an end by Christians by the early 1800s. Every abolitionist of the early 19th century was an a Christian. Slavery in the north outside if the border states if Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri was brought to an end by Christians. The entire notion of white supremacy was created out of whole cloth in the early 19th century as a defense against the righteous verbal assaults of Christian evangelicals upon the institution of slavery and roundly condemned by those same Christian Evangelicals. It was English Christians, most notably Wilberforce, who brought the English government to bring the triangular trade in slaves to an end. It was in fact Christians black and white that bled and died to end slavery in this country. There is no white supremacists DNA in the modern church or its tenets.
     
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    More blacks identify as Christian, eight in ten, than whites identify as Christian, seven in ten.
     
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    If this 'researcher' knew anything about European/American Christianity, he'd have focused on the Roman Catholic Church and the 'Protestant Reformation' which produced all of what we call the "Protestant" Denominations today. And none of any of that had anything to do with "white supremacy and RACISM".

    All of this nonsense about "what form of Justice are white Christians willing to offer" is just another one of these guilt-tripping propaganda ploys to get 'Whitey' to pay American negroes 'reparations'. Frankly, it's all complete nonsense. Slavery ended 157 years ago... the last American negro slave died in 1937. And I'm unaware of any translation of the Holy Bible that says ONE WORD about the 'superiority' of either Caucasians or any other part of the human race!

    If there's any validity in today's effort to shake 'Whitey' down for 'reparations' by opportunistic American negro groups, then can't I make an argument that accuses the Roman Empire of 'Roman-superiority' and their belief in their Roman 'gods' to support the Roman Empire making slaves out of my Germanic ancestors...?! But, hey, if today's Italians are so gullible and stupid that they want to wallow around in a 'guilt trip' over something as idiotic as their 'gods', 'Roman-superiority' and my ancestors, I'll be happy to take their money! :banana:

    Really, Te, working the 'white guilt' thing for 'low-hanging fruit' is SO obvious that even the dullest among us can see right through it.
     
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    Obviously I was under the mistaken impression that you were capable of more introspection than the above kneejerk screed, Cy.

    Did you even bother to read post #2?

    What kind of "reparations" were mentioned in that solution that achieved Justice for those who suffered under the racist white supremacy of Apartheid?

    I do not have all of the answers but if you have NONE, as your content demonstrates, then just say so instead of becoming DEFENSIVE and DERAILING the thread with nonsense about utterly irrelevant "reparations" that have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the OP.

    There are many grave INJUSTICES continuing to happen in our nation and we MUST be willing to have an OPEN and HONEST debate in order to find SOLUTIONS that everyone can live with.

    If YOU do NOT want to be part of the SOLUTION that is YOUR choice.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    Once you see it came from Huffpost, why would any intelligent person read any further?
    It will only be loaded with bias and denial of all the massive efforts already made to support blacks "advancement" and effusive glamorization of the victimhood the lower-class blacks thrive on- while shaming the class black Americans who have worked and lived honorably, who deserve our recognition and contribute to society. The low class wants to hide behind those good people- claim to be the same; pretending to actually be something besides trash. Fools believe them.

    GOOD men can have rational discussions about anything, and can solve problems. Gangs, thugs and juvenile minded people cannot. When you see someone participating in violence, promoting riot, they are telling you that is the best they are capable of- and only an ignorant, naive man assumes any other tool can be effective.
    I'm white. I'm not a christian. I know exactly how to create solutions. I also know that without the understanding, good faith and cooperation of the opposing side- you are totally wasting your time assuming they can do or will change or care.

    If one assumes you must use the lowest common denominator that the people involved can grasp- you lose, in terms of logic, because you have allowed the incapable to set the rules.

    Mark Twain said "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with their vast experience at it.'

    You have to elevate the mindset of the people before reason can become a viable tool of discussion. In the meantime- you DO NOT allow it to rule the world.
    That takes decades, and then only if they can come to terms with the facts behind what they believe is reality
     
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    There is no such thing as white supremacy, this nonesense needs to stop..
     
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    What other underlying agenda can there be in the roll-out of some kind of speculative exposé about 'white supremacy' and Christianity besides a grasping after 'reparations'? Another attack on religion? How droll... but useful for promoting the concept that "Whitey" needs to give American negroes something else besides the total EQUALITY provided by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

    So, now it's an attack on Christianity and its 'white supremacy'? :roflol:. You don't have to have been an Anthropology major to know that few, if any, of the Jewish or Arabic biblical figures would have been considered by anyone today to have been "WHITE"....

    The ROMANS, however, were as white as sheet of toilet paper! The author of this 'research paper' needs to attack ancient ROME, if anyone.... And if he collects 'guilt-trip' money from today's Italians, be sure to save some of the money to pay me for the enslavement of my Germanic ancestors!

    Truly, Te, this kind of crap is beneath you. We need to go back to something founded in common sense and truth, like the need to keep firearms away from idiots and criminals. Trying to slap a racial 'guilt-trip' on Christianity is lunacy!
     
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    The closest thing to a serious white supremacy movement right now would be BLM/AntiFa.
    Fortunately it is too incoherent to be much of a threat.
     
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    Utter nonsense, made clear by the extensive song and dance required to explain it. As just one example it was the mostly white Christian churches that formed the underground railway and began serious and active actions to free black slaves.
     
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    I have seen a lot of vidoes of BLM marches here in England and it always looks like Antifa forget to memo the actual black people to come. They aren't the brightest of sparks...
     
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    Thank you for confirming that I was wrong in my estimation of your ability to see BEYOND the extremist rightwing DISINFORMATION, Cy.
     
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    From the OP source;

     
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    surveys conducted by PRRI in 2018 found that white Christians — including evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics — are nearly twice as likely as religiously unaffiliated whites to say the killings of Black men by police are isolated incidents rather than part of a pattern of how police treat African Americans.

    And white Christians are about 30 percentage points more likely to say monuments to Confederate soldiers are symbols of Southern pride rather than symbols of racism. White Christians are also about 20 percentage points more likely to disagree with this statement: "Generations of slavery and discrimination have created conditions that make it difficult for Blacks to work their way out of the lower class." And these trends generally persist even in the wake of the recent protests for racial justice.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...ong-nonreligious-s-no-coincidence-ncna1235045


     
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    I am sure most of them are intelligent. I blame their schools.
     
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    The abolitionist movement was a radical Christian movement. It died with slavery and the abolitionists.
    With the rise of the "progressive" movement slavery is back.
    Slavery is a very durable human institution.
     
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    It is fortunate that some on the thinking Left are still paying attention.

    "The domestic population policy U.S. government has an undeniably racist edge. Native American, Chicana, Puerto Rican and Black women continue to be sterilized in disproportionate numbers. According to a National Fertility Study conducted in 1970 by Princeton University's office of Population Control, 20% of all married Black women have been permanently sterilized. I'm probably the same percentage of Chicana women had been rendered surgically infertile. Moreover, 43% of the women sterilized through federally subsidized programs were Black."
    WOMEN RACE AND POWER, Angela Y. Davis, Random House, NY, 1980. p. 219.
     
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    I agree. There is no such thing. Unfortunately there are a whole lot of white people who think there is.
     
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    Denialism, deflection and derailing aplenty but not even a single attempt to offer any solution?

    Sad!

    Hopefully there might be someone out there willing to put some thought into this topic and come up with even a modest suggestion.
     
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    Solutions require both sides to give a damn about a solution. It IS NOT our job to convince others they should care- it is THEIR JOB to realize that they are their own worst enemy, and will destroy themselves if they can't control themselves.

    Solution, step one:

    Behave yourselves.
     
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    Christianity dates back prior to the forming of America.
     
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    And that is absolute bullshit. Now you'll find a whole lot if people black and white thought busing kids two hours and more to school to achieve some bureaucratic ideal mix if races was effing stupid. But it had nothing to do with white supremacy and everything to do with the fact that everybodies kids were suddenly not getting an education because they were too damn exhausted from getting up way too early and getting home way too late.
     
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    My youngest son was one of those forced to bus. He came back introduced to drugs, to violence, thinking the world was crazy and hating black people.
    Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" idea- typical backwards myopic approach of the dems- fail to understand the problem before you decide you know how to fix it, and botch the job again. Never learn, just keep making the same stupid mistakes expecting different results. .
     
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    Why does slavery still exist in the nation of Africa to this very day?
     

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