White Supremacy Shaped American Christianity, Researcher Says

I would be down for a quick execution for anybody convicted of 1st degree murder regardless of race.
I would be down for mandatory life sentences for anybody convicted of drug trafficking regardless of race.
I would be down for mandatory 10 year sentences for anybody convicted of rioting regardless of race.
I would be down for mandatory 10 year sentences for anybody convicted of resisting arrest regardless of race.
I would be down for mandatory executions for anybody convicted of three felonies regardless of race.

Unfortunately most people on the left have a strong interest in releasing violent sociopaths back into the community. Given that these predators generally go back to pillage and terrorize neighborhoods that I don't live in, it doesn't affect me too much.

One of the benefits of living in a conservative community is that you tend to live in a world where crimes hovers between negligible to non-existent. I live in the kind of utopoia that liberals always talk about creating (except for the diversity and inclusion). I couldn't imagine how it could be better. My greatest fear is that liberals will move here and destroy it.

 

Don't take the bate folks, the RACE bait that is.

- Christianity happened way before America did
- Jesus was most likely midde-eastern, arab descent (not black OR white)
- most blacks identify as Christian

Don't buy the hype people! As always, the democrats can't beat us on policy so they have to resort to more pathetic race baiting, just ignore this garbage and make sure you VOTE!

 

My position on "prison terms"? Well, that's a full parsec away from the thread topic, but I will answer by saying that we should go back to a time when punishment for breaking laws was much more codified, uniform, and consistent!

All aspects of law, law enforcement, and punishment for breaking the laws should be the same for all -- no matter where they are located in the U. S.

The "uniformity" of the dispensation of punishment is vitally important! And to your blanket assertion that American negroes receive worse treatment regarding punishments, I'll say that it is a situation that goes both ways.

Quick example: a man named Nathan Dunlap commits MASS-MURDER here in Denver, is tried, convicted, and sentenced to death. But what happens? Liberal Democrat Governor, John Hickenlooper (who's running for senator now) personally interfered with the conviction imposed by the jury and indefinitely suspended Dunlap's execution. And, now that the liberal Democrat-infested Colorado Assembly has done away with executions for 'capital crimes', Dunlap will, in essence, be 'let off the hook'.

Now -- would that have happened if Nathan Dunlap had been WHITE? BTW, the only two other convicts on what used to be 'death row' here in Colorado were also both black. Now, NONE of them will ever really have to face justice! Would they have been treated so leniently if they hadn't been negroes...?

"I sure am glad I didn't kill all those people in TEXAS!"

 

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to pretend that prison sentences have NOTHING at all to do with JUSTICE and that Blacks receive LONGER and HARSHER sentences than whites for the SAME crimes?

You can do a whole lot better than that screed, Cy!

We are talking about ENSURING that Justice is meted out EQUALLY which is NOT happening right now.

 

Yeah, well, I gave you a concrete example of three American negroes getting away with MURDER, Te, and now they'll get to lay around on their asses in prison for the rest of their lives, taking it easy. I SAID that all American citizens SHOULD be treated EQUALLY in courts of law, and you've presented nothing that proves they are not. But -- ALL criminals get off WAY too easy in this country!

Let me be clear -- I don't like what passes for 'justice' in this country, no, not for anybody of any color. Far too many people get totally away with committing crimes, or getting light sentences, and it's gotten to be customary that the convicts barely serve HALF the time they were sentenced to.

Maybe if murdering creeps like Nathan Dunlap had been sentenced to be hanged by the neck -- "English-style" (where you are hauled straight up by the neck instead of dropping to a virtually painless broken-neck), we'd have fewer mass-murders by ANYONE, regardless of color.

Consider this (even though we're even further away from the thread topic than ever before) -- GEORGE FLOYD, the latest negro 'saint' of all who thoroughly HATE the United States was being arrested for the FEDERAL CRIME of passing counterfeit money when a stupid cop killed him in the process of trying to take him into detention and get Floyd's ass into a patrol car. My point -- how many of the radical Left stop to consider that maybe (just MAYBE) these negro suspects and criminals wouldn't GET in trouble with the law if they didn't BREAK the law....

Now the punchline -- WOULD ANYBODY HAVE GONE ON A WILD SPREE OF RIOTS, ARSON, LOOTING, VIOLENT ASSAULTS, AND DESTRUCTION IF GEORGE FLOYD HAD BEEN WHITE?!

Afterthought -- the Roman Empire of the time of Christ Jesus did have one thing right -- when and where there was anything like the kind of civil mayhem and criminal insanity like there was in this country over George Floyd, the Roman Army put a STOP to it -- FAST!

 

Please read my following post since it contains a lot that it directly relevant to what you just posted.

 

There is a great deal of DENIALISM regarding how white supremacy has shaped White AMERICAN Christianity so I thought that it is appropriate to point at the STARK differences between what is PREACHED versus what is PRACTICED.

Let me begin with Jesus and what he actually stood for, preached and practiced.

Jesus was highly EDUCATED as proven by his ability to read, comprehend and DEBATE the Scriptures. Education is what ENABLED him to observe and CALL OUT the difference between what was being practiced as opposed to what was being preached in his own time.

It is NOTABLE that White American Christianity is HOSTILE to education and science. This is a well documented FACT and can be substantiated with credible nonpartisan sources.

There are a great many examples of Jesus's compassion and empathy for the impoverished and it clear that he was willing to help them irrespective of whatever it might cost himself.

https://www.jesusfilm.org/blog-and-stories/jesus-cares-for-poor.html

Compare that to the antagonistic White American Christian attitude towards those who are impoverished and it becomes clear that they see themselves as SUPERIOR to those are less fortunate than themselves. The white supremacy is quite blatant in the demeaning accusations of making the "bad choice" to be BORN into poverty and using disparaging terms like "thugs" as an INSULT to all blacks regardless of their actual circumstances. The "blame the victim" attitude is another spiteful way that White American Christians use to demonstrate their superiority.

Jesus was no friend of the wealthy either and he made that clear in a number of ways.

OTOH White American Christianity openly EMBRACES wealth, greed and exploitation as a means to enrich themselves and they call it the Prosperity Gospel!

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017...steen-believes-prayer-can-make-you-rich-trump

Don't need to further belabor the VARIANCE between what is preached versus what is practiced so let's move on to other differences in the way the White American Christianity DIVERGES from the original concept with the POLITICS of God, Guns and Gays.

Hatred for the LBGTQ community is still common among White American Christians and the evidence can be found in their ongoing attacks of the transgendered. Bringing their GUNS to a protest about a VIRUS and REFUSING to wear MASKS exposes their attitude of SUPERIORITY towards actual KNOWLEDGE. However the greatest IRONY has to be their INSISTENCE upon crowding together and singing praises to their god in ENCLOSED spaces even AFTER it was PROVEN that this would further spread the contagion.

Now let's turn to the most BLATANT act of White American Christian white supremacy where a white male murdered a black man by suffocating him to death for 8 minutes and 45 seconds in broad daylight as if he and his accomplices had the RIGHT to KILL blacks whenever and wherever that wanted.

That MURDER is what sparked the current BLM protests nationwide and it is worth noting that the protesters themselves have been PEACEFUL while it is the white supremacists who have been doing all of the violence, looting and the rioting.

We have reached a turning point in our nation's history and White American Christianity's EMBRACE of white supremacy is what has TRIGGERED this event. Those marching in the protests are the DIVERSE Millennials who see each other as PEOPLE first and foremost. They are not only diverse but they also REJECT White American Christianity as proven by the DECLINE in religious affiliation nationwide.

In essence YOUNG Americans are REJECTING the "gospel" of white supremacy that is at the ROOT of the INJUSTICE that was EXPOSED when a white cop MURDERED a black man in cold blood in open DEFIANCE of everything that genuine Christianity stands for.

The OP asks for potential SOLUTIONS to this ongoing INJUSTICE and one of those solutions is going to occur in November when the RACIST white supremacist in the Oval office is REJECTED by the MAJORITY of We the People that also reject the "gospel" of White American Christianity that has caused so much HARM to our nation.

I have little doubt that the above has triggered Cognitive Dissonance among those that are White American Christians and there will be the usual batch of denials and whataboutisms. However that is not going to ADDRESS the core problem that is the inherent INJUSTICE that EXISTS in our nation and HOW it is going to be REMEDIATED. The REASON for this is that the PROBLEM is INCAPABLE of being part of the solution until it is RECOGNIZES and ACKNOWLEDGES the INJUSTICE that it is perpetrating.

As a REALIST I appreciate the MAGNITUDE of the problem given that it is self reinforcing HOWEVER when there are good honest Christians like the Author in the OP that makes me hopeful that others will see the error of their ways and be willing to become part of the solution.

 

To what do you want a solution?

 

Are you UNAWARE that there is ONGOING injustice happening in our nation?

 

No. I guess you decided not to answer the question.

 

If you cannot figure out the problem for yourself I seriously doubt that you would be able to provide any solution.

 

I doubt it as well.

 

And so, once again, I ask you -- as I did in my earlier post #27 in this thread -- "OK, Te... what do you propose that "Christianity" should do to ameliorate the damage of "White Supremacy"? I won't try to 'load' the question, but merely ask you what you think should be done in the year 2020 to avenge this wrong. You've got the floor...."

You want something... from white Christians, right? Tell us what that 'something' is, beyond saying the word, "remediation" over and over.... Tell us what "injustice" it is that you find in Christianity, or the teachings of Jesus Christ, or ANYTHING found in the Holy Bible. Surely you do base your thoughts in something specific, right?! (And let's both try to stay on topic so we don't get ALL our posts in this thread deleted, as has happened before in other threads).

Perhaps the word you really mean is, "reparations"...?! If it is (when you mash all the air-bubbles out of it), then at least that is something we can all understand. People have always, since the beginning of time, wanted SOMETHING FOR NOTHING....

 

Except that is NOT what THIS thread is about, is it?

Sir, you may want to go back and re-read my posts. I never mentioned the Democratic Party, YOU did. It is YOU who is diverting from the topic without addressing the OP. My posts have been in regards to the OP and how my experiences line up with it. Nothing more, nothing less.

And my experiences as I mentioned involved Christian Baptists. So why should YOUR experience alter my experience? If you have an issue with the writer/researcher then reach out to him. All I did was confirm it based on my experiences in a Baptist church-school.

 

Except that is not what occurred....but keep on rewriting your pulp fiction.

 

If you didn’t want parties involved in the discussion you ought not to have brought conservatives into the thread.

I quoted you where you brought political groups into the thread. If all you wanted to discuss was Christians you should have left your comments on conservatives out. Don’t be upset at me for following your lead. LOL

And here is the lead sentence of the OP.

Last I checked, the Democratic Party is heavily involved in politics. I just pointed out they are heavily involved in white supremacy as well. You can try and explain how my posts don’t involve the race, religion, and politics of white supremacy that the OP clearly states are the topics of the thread. Good luck with that. You are just upset you accidentally painted a graphic picture of how the Democratic Party treats minorities and got called out for it. Any remaining vestiges of southern Democratic slavery in organized Christianity pale in comparison to the white supremacy exhibited by the Party itself today.

My experience can’t alter yours. I shared it as evidence the OP is certainly not correct in painting US Christianity with such a broad brush.

 

Paranoid CTs about white supremacy shaped this flamebait thread.

 

Huh? You make absolutely no sense at all. Please show me where I mentioned anything about ANY political party. YOU are the one who forcefully extrapolated a partisan line and then continued to repeat it.

NO, you did no such thing. Quote me the exact phrase you are referring to.

If that is what you want to discuss, fine, but it has little resemblance to my post. Twisting my words to fit your agenda surely seems like a highly un-Christian thing to do, but I'm sure you miss the irony in that.

So, did YOU conduct research as he did?

Was your church a Baptist or Evangelical sect?

Like I said, if you have an issue with the OP article, take it up with that author. All I said is that it conforms with my experience as a pre-teen in that sort of environment with Baptists.

 

I’ve never said you mentioned a party. But you brought political groups into the discussion by referencing conservatives.

Again, here you go.

You got more than whitewashing from me. You got an explanation of how racist the Democratic Party is.

All I’ve done is point out the Democratic Party fits your definition of white supremacy like a glove. There is nothing un-Christian about stating facts is there? If so, please explain.

No, have you? Do I need to conduct research to participate in this thread?

Evangelical only in adherence to belief salvation is by faith alone. Aren’t Baptists generally considered evangelicals by doctrine?

I didn’t realize PF only allowed commentary on the OP and not on other thread posts now. Thanks for the heads up!

 

Wow, amazing how you have mastered the non sequitur.

The full phrase is "conservatives on this forum"....how you leap to a partisan rant is very telling.

Then you could have just explained your experience with your church and left it at that, but that is not what you did. Instead, you chose to question my experience and then twist my words to fit your partisan screed.

That is shameful and indeed typical of the conservatives on this forum.

 

Your point? You can take shots at conservative PF members but I can’t discuss the Democratic Party? Lol

You are a funny guy. It seems odd you want to dictate both sides of the discussion. Why can’t you deal with what I’ve said instead of telling me what I should say? If you don’t want your ideas critiqued I suggest not posting them on a forum.

 

It's strange how quickly the liberal posters framed this entire thread into unsupported nonsense that purports Christianity preached "White Supremacy".

I have asked this thread's author repeatedly to point out one (ONE) place in the Holy Bible -- anywhere -- that "White Supremacy" is advocated. Then I expanded my request to him, asking that he point out one (ONE) place in the Bible where ANY race of humanity is held to be 'supreme' over the others.

As all Christians know, the Jewish people were the 'chosen' people of the Old Testament, although they did not make up one entire human race. But even if the Jewish people had been a complete human race, they rejected Christianity, and so the GENTILES became those who were the focus of Christianity!

And who are these GENTILES? EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD, besides Jewish people, in the CAUCASIAN, ORIENTAL, AND NEGRO races.

So, again, my question, "How does Christianity promote White Supremacy?" . I won't hold my breath waiting for a direct answer....

 

Sure you can, just don't f****** twist my words to say what you want to say. Grow some cojones and blurt your nonsense without trying to attribute it to one of my posts!

You've already demonstrated your brand of Christianity and it speaks volumes to your character. So we really have nothing more to discuss.

 

If it was nonsense you would be able to debate the points, not have to resort to personal attack.

What brand is that? Calling out blatant racism says what about my character? My brand of Christianity is treating everyone as an individual with inherent value regardless of race. I thought that’s what you wanted?

You are correct. When you resort to ad hominem it’s obvious you have no intellectual arguments. Stay well.

 

And folks, the posts thus far arguing against the OP article are PROOF of the huge-ass blind spot of American Christianity and the uphill battle that is still to be fought for equal rights for everyone. It's rather pathetic to see them squirm in the bile of their hypocrisy, but that is what American Christian Conservative Values has been and will continue to be till they are extinct because of their lack of introspection and hypocrisy.