Tensions linger between Biden and Obama camps throughout 2020 primary campaign

So go play with your Trump compadres*.

I've already learned my lesson dealing with that kind, it accomplishes zilch. Until I see proof from a Trump devotee* that they have a grasp on reality, there is no discussion.

 

Well. We just have to wait and see who wins the Presidency, everything else be just noise. I’m sure you’ll agree with that.

 

I don't think right wingers care about race it's the Democrats that believe race should be a factor.

 

Like they wouldnt pick trump over Hillary and didn't yet trump got electors to vote for him?

Sorry man but after your ranting in.16 and were so wrong I figured even with your certainty this time you are wrong again.. And we need to believe the opposite of what you say.

A prophet or even a predictor is not your forte..You probable still don't understand why trump is your president. And you still won't understand when he beats biden..

You think that the rest of america thinks like a Democrat. But they don't
You think the rest of america hates trump as you do, but they are not such hateful people.

I think it will be closer this time than 16 but seldom is a sitting president beaten. And the dem candidate is weak having lost several times.. And senile.

When biden is the best the DP can offer
..that party is in big trouble. Can't you see it? Or is your hatred of trump blinding you?

 

Come on BG, you go too far with the comedy. If it wasn't for right wingers we wouldn't have all the racial tension in this country.

 

Who engaged in racism in choosing their VP candidate? Who keep treating blacks as a separate group all the same? Who said you ain't black enough?

 

Joe's gotta make it to two years and a day.

 

Yep. I’m sure he will. If not, Kamala will be a 7 year president rather then a 9 year president.

 

Who hates the fact that he chose a black woman? Right wing.

Right wing.

There are confused folks in every race I guess.

 

No....

Who engaged in racism in choosing their VP candidate?

No the Democrats right wing treats them equally.

Who said "you ain't black"?

 

Oh do tell...

Quick question did "right wingers" make someone like Nick Cannon a racist piece of ****?

 

How are you getting soft in the morning? From Uncle Toms and Bootlickers to just confused eh?

 

Yes, it is the right that hated the announcement.

Probably right.

I understood what he meant.

 

You definitely keep Trump pushing it.

 

You are that kind. These are human beings with a different set of beliefs than you. You will never accomplish anything by insulting them. Since you present yourself as one capable of deep thought, ask yourself:

If so many people can be certain they are right while being wrong, shouldn't you question your own certainty? Isn't that what you are asking of them?

 

False again and why do you once again becomes obtuse who engaged into the racism and bigotry in their selection?

You understood you were being racially insulted?

 

That's a fair question to ask.

I have asked that question multiple times, not just on here at PF, but also in real life with friends and family. With my friends, most of whom aren't as political as I am, but are registered as Republicans, they tend to be moderates. This pandemic and all that it entails has made many of them question their habitual voting patterns and seem far more inclined to vote for Biden now. With colleagues, that has been another matter altogether different. Some have indeed come out of the woodwork as hardcore Trump supporters, and for my own sanity and to keep the peace, I have had to limit my interactions with them.

As for family, or to be more specific, my father, he is Cuban American, and like all Cuban American's of my father's age (80s), he still clings to the Republican party. For them, the threat of communism was not an academic debate, it was something they lived through to survive. My entire youth was immersed in the constant reminiscing of what Cuba was before Castro and what he had done to the Cuban people after the Revolution. The one and primary reason the exiled Cuban community embraced the GOP was because of the rejection of JFK's decision at the Bay of Pigs in 1961. The US-backed invasion was an utter failure and propped up Castro's power even more so than before the start of the Revolution. So it's only natural for them to have sided with the GOP and pledge their life-long allegiance to them.

It wasn't until my 20s that I, as a 1st generation Cuban American, that I decided to gather the facts for myself to make a determination of where I stood on the whole issue. My research into the history of Cuba and its relations to the United States painted a very different picture. The US had always had an eye on Cuba even before the 20th century. There were even active discussions in Congress in the late 1800s of making Cuba a state of the US, something most Americans today aren't even aware of. That interest is probably the reason why we so easily engaged in the Spanish American War in 1898, a 10 week-long war that ended victoriously for the US.

Though the US gave independence to the people of Cuba, there were strings attached. Though the people of Cuba could hold elections, the US had the final say. The US essentially ran a puppet government in Cuba and it continued to do so through the 1950's until Castro and his guerilla fighters threatened President Batista's corrupt government. Batista's corruption is the blind spot that many of my parent's generation gloss over. His presidency was not only fraught with corruption at all levels, but the economics of this corruption is what led to a wide gap between the haves and have nots. It is for this reason that the vast majority of the exiled Cuban community that came to this country are white, while those with darker skin were left in Cuba. Castro ceased this divide and angst to start his Cuban Revolution in 1959.

These same dynamics that Castro effectively used to cease Cuba I see present today in Trump's America. The threat of "communism and socialism" is no different than the cries of the evils of capitalism and imperialism that Castro railed against. It's populism, short and simple, but unlike the situation in Cuba which eventually led to the Cuban Missile crisis, there is no existential threat here in the US at this time from communism or socialism. Bernie has never called for blood in the streets, nor is he running guerilla operations. What we have instead is using a distorted view of socialism and communism as a blunt instrument to subdue the gullible with fear.

History has a tendency to repeat itself, or at least carry the tune. Currently, Venezuelan refugees seeking asylum here in the US are going through the very same trauma that my parents went through. The big difference is that even though Trump's is doing the tough talk against Nicolas Maduro, to the delight of these refugees, his administration is rejecting half of all the Venezuelan asylum claims. Cubans were automatically granted asylum.

Trump's "political style" has an appeal to low-information voters who do not completely understand the history and power of demagoguery. The fervor and zeal which his supporters turn a blind eye to these manipulative tactics is a direct threat far more than any vague socialist or communist takeover of the US. The old GOP used to know this, now they have abandoned principled arguments to feed the ego of a narcissist.

Maybe you should be talking to one of those "RINO" Never Trumpers. I recognized Trump for what he is way back in 2015 with his descent on that damn escalator, and everything I feared and predicted from this blowhard has come to pass. Character is destiny. So to answer your question, YES, I question my certainty all the time, but I don't abandon what I've learned to appease my fears or vanity.

 

Like your grandfather, these people have a good reason for their beliefs. It makes sense that hose who lived under the heavy hand of communism would support Trump. I have 5 kids that span the political spectrum. 2 are liberal Dems, 1 is a full Republican and 1 ran for office as a Libertarian. The other doesn't care about politics.

With both sides looking at each other as the enemy, Trump becomes an accurate example of the American people and we deserve him until we learn to have respectful discussions with those of opposing beliefs.

I brought up CA because Dems are in complete control here. Results show that those who believed dem control is good for the poor and the environment, but results show otherwise.

Their vote and the reasons behind it is no different than you and your beliefs/choices.

 

Uh no it's definitely the truth.

I understand that any black person who votes for Trump is being racially crippled.

 

Yes there is a truth here, tell the truth, which party engaged in racism and sexism and bigotry in it's selection of candidates?

So in order to be black now you have to vote for Biden........................do you realize how racially offensive that is? Yes I think you are insulting members of your own race.

 

The polarization we see today in politics began on the Right. Since you're in CA, do you still remember this guy?



That is Wally George. He was a real character here in SoCal and he hosted the Hot Seat on KDOC for quite a few years. He called his brand of conservative TV schpiel "combat TV". Oh, and his daughter is actress Rebecca De Mornay.

Now I'm not saying he's the father of this type of conservative style of debate, but he is definitely one of the founders. The next person who probably propelled this sort of combat TV quite successfully was Mortin Downey Jr until he short-circuited himself by pulling off what we would call today, "doing a Jesse Smollet". But the true godfather of modern conservative shock-jocks is Rush Limbaugh and I do find it funny that even though Rush began his career in Sacramento in the early 80s, he really didn't take off until the end of the FCC's Fairness Doctrine in 1987. That move by then FCC Chairman Dennis R Patrick under Reagan is what began the polarization we see today in the public square. It is that event that took off any shackles of truth or fairness on conservative talk radio and later TV.

Now in regards to your CA example, what you seem to be operating under is the same misguided belief many on the Right parrot; that because CA has homelessness and high taxes and just about any other grievance you want to throw out there, then it's the fault of their ideology. We strive for a more perfect union, not perfection itself. That is impossible and highly unrealistic.

Republicans used to know this, but years and years of right-wing talk radio and Ailes' baby, Fox News, have eroded the level of civilized and intellectual discourse to what we see today.

So until someone can address WHY the conservatives have left the conservatism of William F. Buckley Jr and explain logically how Trumpism is better, I'll be happy to oblige and listen, but after 4 years of this, all I've heard are lies, demagoguery, and conspiracy bullschiet.

 

The party who thinks only old white men can become the POTUS.

You can think whatever you like, I just don't understand why any black person would vote for Trump. You can trot out Herschel Walker, Vernon Jones and Tim Scott all you want. Black folks are wise enough to see through that BS.

 

Political division existed long before we were born. Technology just gives us more access to it. Currently, the left has a huge lead on negative media aimed at the opposition.

I use California as an example because there are no political talking points, only results to consider. Results make Trump come out as the lesser of evils. No one expects perfection, but in spite of paying excessive taxes, things are worse. I am not a Republican, but I live in CA and can easily understand why people support Trump. It is not the fault of their ideology; its that they actions are not consistent with their ideology. They have the money, voters are cheated out of the results they paid for.

Trumps demagoguery would not have any weight if it weren't for the overreach of the other side.

You make a good point about getting nothing but BS, but the other side is no better. In fact, based on results, they are a little worse.

BTW, I will be voting for Jo.

 

The Democrats nominate an old white man.............

Then watch their convention and you will see plenty who will.

Why should a black man vote for the Democrats what have they done for you? I think wise black people see through the Democrat charade.
Why should a white man vote for the Democrats what will they do for me?

 

I call BS, every rightwinger I know just says no to socialist lefties regardless of skin color, stop playing the race card...