Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

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  1. dbldrew

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    its wrong, look at the YT video that Creasy Tvedt just posted, go to settings and run the video at .25% speed to slow it down enough to see what happened.

    there is 3 people in the right hand side of the video, the shooter (defender) is running backwards and backs up between 2 cars, the guy in the red shirt who got shot, and another person running up. The guy who got shot was almost on top of the shooter before he got shot.

    100% self defense here..

    Here is the video again just in case

     
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    Kenosha Guard asked people to come and join them, and so he did.
    https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/202...uters-global-race-usa-wisconsin-facebook.html

    You think it's pure coincidence a child crosses state lines to run around with loaded guns, to hunt and kill people?


    Ah. Person attacks and deflecting around.
    Pathetic.
     
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    Well other than the video if him running into the foray, you might have a point. :)
     
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    Don't know how long this video will remain up, or if it has already been shared here, but thought it should be.

     
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    So, perhaps you weren't aware of it, but the national guard isn't a militia? And who is the "kenosha guard"? the NYTs don't seem able to define this. They make several accusations about a facebook page that facebook censored. Does anyone know at this point? The NYTs doesn't have the best track record here, you know this, right? You seem gobsmacked that there are folks in this country who truly wish to defend others and their property against the tyranny and destruction of the mob. Why? As the violent protests (well, CNN started out saying that, but then edited it out even though there is plenty of evidence video or otherwise of the non peacefulness of said rallies there) continue to destroy property and beat folks senseless when they have the temerity to stand up to said mob, who else will help these folks who become victims of the mob? Kenosha Police don't seem to be able to engage because their political leadership won't allow it. You don't seem interested in the safety of folks as long as it furthers your agenda, so why should we find your commentary credible at all?
     
  6. Creasy Tvedt

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    It's not a matter of defending, it's your attacking. The problem was that you accused Rittenhouse of being guilty of shooting an innocent person in the back when you clearly didn't know the facts.

    Why did you do that?
     
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    Please provide said video.

    I've only seen video of the shooter on the defensive. Id love to see a video of the shooter acting violent or aggressive so I can understand why people think this kid was in the wrong.
     
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    The Kenosha Guard is not the national guard. Duh
    The militia inviting people to come over and shoot around.
    I sourced my things. You're free to debunk it. So far it's just hot air. Hot air is cheep.

    I see a country where a black man gets choked to death over 20 bucks. I see a country where a white guy gets to cross state line, to join a violent gang to kill around, and get passed the cops to go to bed again. I see a country where a black man gets chocked to death over 10 cigs. I see a country where a white man gets to massacre a black church and the cops get him some burger king as a treat. I see a country where loads people think white privilege is a myth. I see a country where loads of people don't mind being recorded while being openly racist.
     
  9. truth and justice

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    Where did I say that anyone was innocent. I called the victim a looter, hardly innocent! They are all prats
     
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    According to the second or third video, the kid that was arrested wasn't even the initial shooter.
    Clear self defense, several times, and honestly could have shot dozens of people if he wanted to but he only shot the aggressors.

    Kid deserves a medal.
     
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    You see what you want to see.

    I see hundreds of black children murdered across the city of Chicago every year, and THOUSANDS of black children murdered across the country every year... do you see them, too?

    I hope so, because nobody else seems to. They only see what they want to see, as well.
     
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    That child went armed to the teeth, crossing state lines, joining a violent militia, ends up "defending himself"?
    Sure.
     
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    It is what it is.

    That has zilch to do with white people being treated different by the authorities.
    I mean, a white dude massacring black people in a church praying got rewarded with a hamburger by the same cops who choke a black man to death over 10 cigarettes. It is what it is.
     
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    Ooookkkkaaayyy
     
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    The boomerang has come back to you, if he were black folks like you would be claiming the cops did the right thing in arresting him and then you would start claiming he has a record and blah, blag, blah.
     
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    I think your perspective is pretty narrow. In the cities where democrats have herded and oppressed black america, it's pretty common on any given night that folks who have to live like that kill each other for far less. And when confronted by police or authority assume that the encounter must be met with resistance or worse. If you were actually paying attention, the shooter here, calls the police, describes the encounter, self identifies as the shooter, and police in Kenosha identify him, he surrenders to them, and they let him go. Those are just the facts, and I know you aren't willing to accept them, but that is likely just your issue. I would point out that this 17 yo has offered himself up to police when they have asked. He turned himself in to local Antioch IL police when they issued the warrant. And likely, he won't fight extradition to WI is it is deemed necessary. It does seem questionable why the Lake Co (Antioch) PD issued the warrant prior to Kenosha issuing one... That seems coordinated.,

    You seem to find grievance all around you. There are no locks on the borders here.
     
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    I can point out individual instances, too. That doesn't show a pattern, and those instances don't jive with decades of statistics.

    I get it, its upsetting, but your raising rapists and child abusers and women beaters and drug traffickers to martyrdom status...

    The whole thing is odd because if Jacob Blake was alive right now, most people would want him dead given his repeatedly violent history against women and children. He'd be raped like no other in prison. He probably wouldn't have made it out alive once his record became known.

    But because he was killed by a police officer after refusing orders, which was AFTER a fist fight and being tased, somehow he's a Saint?

    Like, **** that dude. He's a piece of ****. He should have been executed the first time he messed around with a child.

    And you want to praise him? We cancel games for a child rapist and a woman beater?

    That's where the movement is right now.
     
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    If who was black? And the kid turned himself in. he doesn't seem to be shirking from his actions. Is that what bothers you here? Someone taking responsibility for their actions? someone complying with authority? Is that the sin you fear here?
     
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    So someone else shot first...I thought Kyle wasn't the original shooter, so I was right.

    First shooting
    While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.

    I still dont see a video of the shooter on the offensive.

    Post a video of the shooter being aggressive or violent. I didn't ask for some whitewashed article from the NYT, of all places. I'll wait.
     
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    So that makes it ok because he turned himself in, he had no choice where was he going? If this kid were black right wingers would be calling him a "thug", "savage" etc.
     
  22. Creasy Tvedt

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    The cops did do the right thing in arresting Rittenhouse. He's definitely got some things to answer for, and a thorough investigation is called for.
     
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    When a black kid shows up to defend property rather than smash it up, you be sure to let me know, and I'll be more than happy to heap praise upon that kid.
     
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    You seem awfully eager to speak with authority here. You also make a ton of assumptions. The kid turned himself in. That doesn't beg a qualifier as if suddenly this make it "ok" whatever that means. It means, he is willing to answer to authority and defend himself from folks, really like you, who are out here bashing him and his actions, as if this is justifiable. Ok, since you brought it up, show us examples of black self defense shooters who turned themselves in to police, when asked, to compare the situation now with. I'm sure there are examples. Go find some. And see if your hate and fear mongering are justified.
     
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    He went to a city in America. He brought a gun because there is a lot of violence there. Sure enough he was attacked. Why does the fact that he was attacked for just being out there not bother you? Are you okay with areas of American cities being "no go" zones?
     
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