End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

No, I'm aware that racism still exists in America, but we certainly have made huge strides "moving toward" a post-racial society. Or at least, we were making progress before this set back which seems to me to be coming from the Post-modern generation who are absolutely the most privileged people this country has ever produced.

Look around at all the women and minorities who have achieved the heights of success. I don't believe that the racists who are still roaming the country today are the people with any power to hold others back. Of course that gets into individual people versus the today's rhetoric of some phantom widespread "systemic" racism.

 

Anonymous source I'm sure? Why was this never prosecuted? Private information? What did Ray's estate do with all the money? You'd think the Left Wing media would have been on this like stink on SH&*!!! Of course wealthy white supremacist abound in America! Not like wealthy whte globalists.. Or like left wing Antifa that assassinates cops.

 

The doctors we have that are Indian and Ethiopian don't need affirmative action. Tha Japanese don't require affirmative action Why do you single out one group of people, paint them as victims that need your help? Maybe we should have affirmative action for white boys wanting to play basketball????

 

Ppractice social distancing. Wear a mask when out in public. Wash your hands frequently. Take care and stay safe.
I'm ending this conversation with you because you aren't able to stay on topic.

 

Isn't the man who owns Regnery Publishing the same man who finances the White Supremacist Richard Spencer?

 

Affirmative action is stupid and counter productive across the board because it forces discordant styles, creates animosity, discriminates against the better qualified, lowers the standard, over burdens and guilt rides the recipient, and cripples progress. Just hire the best and be done with it. Even an average person like myself can see that that's the right way to do things.

 

Sorry. I thought the thread was about ending affirmative action. My response wasn't about you China Virus fears. I just made the case affirmative action is about making liberals feel god about themselves.....nothing more. Too much to handle it appears.

 

Affirmative action is the epitome of racism.

 

You ever wonder why the government pays $700 for a coffee pot? Affirmative action is your answer. Only minority companies are allowed to bid for some contracts, they know it, they quadruple the prices, then the raw materials are quadrupled, the transportation if said raw materials are quadrupled, the manufacture of said product is quadrupled, the transport of the finished product is quadrupled, everything that touches it is increased to epic proportions, and nothing can be done about it

so in the end a $100 item arrives with a cost of $700. There you go. I have seen it with my own eyes. I know a defense contractor that is not allowed to move things from one building across the parking lot to another without a minority contractor doing the move. A move that would cost about $70 in labor now is bid at $3000.

 

It has its flaws but the idea is sound.

 

there are other reasons for inflated government contracts.
Perhaps greed. Perhaps bribes.
“There are individuals who are using their positions in public institutions to influence the awarding of contracts to companies in exchange for gratification in the form of cash, real estate, and motor vehicles, the Financial Intelligence Centre (FIC) has revealed.”
https://www.scoopnewszm.com/2020/09...eceiving-kickbacks-from-inflated-contracts-2/

“The fraud suit against the company, Science Applications International Corporation, based in San Diego, involves a series of environmental testing and cleanup jobs it performed at Kelly Air Force Base in Texas in the late 1990's. The contracts, awarded without competitive bidding, paid the company a negotiated price of $24 million.

The company says it strictly obeyed the law in negotiating its contracts. But on Friday, in a setback for the company, known as S.A.I.C., a federal judge in San Antonio rejected a motion to dismiss the case.

The suit is of wider interest, legal experts say, because it addresses a practice used to varying degrees by many government contractors: overestimating projected costs when agreeing on the price upfront, economizing as work is performed and pocketing the difference.“

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/...ntractor-of-profiting-from-inflated-cost.html

 

~ I hope that you are being sarcastic. Playing people for fools is not considered "brilliant" by most.

~ If LBJ was such a good president he would have run for a second term - and won. He knew that he was finished.
His "success" was on the back of a deceased JFK.

 

Very true. Asian Americans are model citizens....studious, sacrificial, hard working, law abiding and family oriented. They are very successful as a group. And so they are discriminated against as individuals in favor of lesser qualified black college applicants. It's absolutely nuts.

 

Wow ... are you actually disputing the statistics? That's much funnier.

And explains why you're confused, when you don't know about it. Hopefully now you'll rethink.

 

This.

Thanks Obama.

 

It's still working for the Democrats, all these years later!

 

It's completely on topic. How do you explain all the African and Indian success stories in America?

 

It was necessary last century. Today it's racism.

 

Don't exclude African and Indian migrants. Also great contributors to professional America. Powering ahead!

 

I wasn't even necessarily thinking strictly in terms of race. The question said including diversity consideration.

 

Not necessary in the 21stC. Nowhere near it.

 

I am not 100% convince of that. Is it your belief that college admission should be solely based on academics marks and test scores? I think that relying solely on that standard could degrade the experience and no college would want to do that.

 

I have a better question: How do you explain the huge wealth gap between White and Black families in the USA? Isn't it due to systemic racism? Affirmative Action helps, but there is still lots of racism in the American workplace.

 

I befriended a young Nigerian man back in the 1980s. He was here going to college. He was a very nice guy, well mannered and from a well to do family. One day he asked me, "How do the Black people here put up with the ugly treatment they receive from White people?" I asked him what he meant and he gave me a few examples:
1) In the stores White clerks wouldn't give him his change in his hand, they would place it on the counter so they wouldn't have to touch him.
2) In school he noticed how the teachers treated him different than they treated the White students; like he was inferior.

I laughed and told him we were used to it. I honestly wouldn't have even noticed these things. He noticed it because he wasn't used to living with racism. I think of him every time somebody brings up the question "Why can't American Blacks be like the Africans?"
Don't think Africans can't see and feel bigotry.

 

Absolutely. There is no better, fairer, and more equality-based measure than academic merit. It crosses all class/wealth/race/gender boundaries. ANYONE can achieve the marks they need for their course of choice via simple hard work, irregardless of their material circumstances. Discriminating against people for things they cannot change (race/gender) is grotesque and regressive.

I have no idea why you think merit entry to university would degrade the experience. My kids attend a major university in which only about 20% of students in STEM are white, and in health sciences less than 10% are white. Is that what you mean? Even if so, why on earth would that 'degrade' the experience? Do you think non-white students aren't interesting enough?