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End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Moi621, Sep 19, 2019.

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Should Affirmative Action be ended? Including diversity considerations.

  1. Yes.

    71 vote(s)
    81.6%

  2. No.

    16 vote(s)
    18.4%
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  1. Moriah

    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    Affirmative Action is here to stay. It is still needed and it helps many people.
    Thanks to all of you for this stimulating conversation.
    Take care and stay safe.
     
    Moriah, Sep 14, 2020
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Racism is kept alive only by the "racial industry". Affirmative action and the idea "the poor negro" needs help from virtue signaling liberals is more than counterproductive. We've had one half black President (a non-descendent of American slavery). We know have a half black Jamaican running as VP whose family made their wealth on over 200 slaves. Time to realize the MLK dream.....One race, the human race.
     
    yabberefugee, Sep 14, 2020
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I compare affirmative action for minorities to the electoral college for smaller States

    both can be a good thing and a bad thing
     
    FreshAir, Sep 15, 2020
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    Slave masters benefited from slavery in America for less than 100 years, and slave masters were a minority of Americans.

    Separate being on land which is now America and being in America after 13 colonies organized as a country and declared Independence from England. The rest of the land in 1776 was still not part of the new United States and had been colonized by Spanish, French, English and Dutch settlers.

    Upon the establishment of America as an independent country, about half the states were free states and about half were slave states. This was the best agreement the abolitionist founders could get with the pro-slavery founders in order to form any Union at all.

    America was the first country founded on the idea that all men are created equal, and from 1776 to 1865, the battle was on to achieve what was a lofty ideal in that day in age. No country in the world fought a Civil War between its own states so that we could live up to that ideal. We succeeded in less than 100 years.

    Free States at the founding of America:

    New Jersey
    Pennsylvania
    Connecticut
    Massachusetts (included Maine at the time)
    New Hampshire
    New York
    Rhode Island

    Slave States at the founding of America:

    Delaware
    Georgia
    Maryland
    South Carolina
    Virginia
    North Carolina

    After the original 13 states were formed until Emancipation in 1865, new states were admitted, nine free states and nine slave states, until California, Minnesota, Oregon and Kansas were all admitted as free states between 1850-1861, really tipping the balance toward freedom versus slavery. The last two states to join before Emancipation were West Virginia in 1863 (a slave state with a clause to abolish) and free state Nevada in 1864.

    At the time of Emancipation, America consisted of 36 states. Only 16 states were ever slave states, and about 1/3rd of those were not part of America until very close to the time that slavery was abolished.
     
    LoneStarGal, Sep 15, 2020
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    If you want to end things like affirmative action, fix the underlying problem.

    easy peazey...
     
    (original)late, Sep 15, 2020
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    Haha. "Fix the underlying problem." How profound. Someone should have thought of that earlier. ;)
     
    LoneStarGal, Sep 15, 2020
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    [​IMG]
     
    (original)late, Sep 15, 2020
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    Too bad Obama took the Malcolm X community organizer approach to American "progress" and not Martin Luther King's approach. Obama could have been a great president for an entire race-neutral country, instead of a divider activist. Hindsight is 20/20.
     
    LoneStarGal, Sep 15, 2020
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    (original)late Banned

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    That wasn't an option.

    Fantasy is also 20/20.
     
    (original)late, Sep 15, 2020
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    Everything is an option in politics. Obama ended up being the identity-politics president, splitting out people by race. But that's a Democrat Party strategy so America got what the most states voted for.
     
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    Yes....one race, the human race!
     
    yabberefugee, Sep 15, 2020
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    Think it had something to do with his affinity toward the Marxist Left.
     
    yabberefugee, Sep 15, 2020
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    If you can't come up with better BS than that, why bother.
     
    (original)late, Sep 15, 2020
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    It is BS.....that is why I never voted for the man. I knew of his associations with the Dorns and other Marxists. I read things about his Mother and Father. I knew of his latent Marxist tendencies. Barrack Hussein Obama was just a gradual "implementer" of the ideology.
     
    yabberefugee, Sep 15, 2020
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    No one outside the problem, can fix the problem.

    PS: Thinking that only white people can fix brown people is ... well, pretty ****ing obnoxious. And the reason that the problems continue.
     
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    The mother was the primary issue. No surprise there. A white elite.
     
    crank, Sep 15, 2020
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    (original)late Banned

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    Cute.

    Idiotic, but cute.
     
    (original)late, Sep 15, 2020
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    Which is one way of telling us you have no idea what you're talking about.
     
    (original)late, Sep 15, 2020
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Do you ?
     
    James California, Sep 15, 2020
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    Please.

    Suddenly a dozen Einsteins repeat Marxist a hundred times like it means something.
     
    (original)late, Sep 15, 2020
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    That's what split the Democrat Party. Obama was dog-whistling to the Socialists and Marxists with most of his rhetoric, but in his actions, he got pulled into the elite web of the standard neo-Liberal and acted just like any traditional Democrat of the last 30 years. His words didn't match his actions. The old-guard people in power were happy, but the Socialist/Marxists were so angry that today they are trying to burn down Liberal cities...and takeover the Democrat Party from the inside.
     
    LoneStarGal, Sep 15, 2020
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    Except the electoral college is not racist
     
    scarlet witch, Sep 15, 2020
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    ~ It does mean something - if you are paying attention.
     
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    ~ Actually it is exactly the opposite. Good point ! [​IMG]
     
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    What About The 3/5 The clause



    btw :flagcanada: had such "indentured" servitude

    well beyond WW 1, Not Counting The Inuit
    selectively genocided via lack of TB Care!


    Just ask @DennisTate




    Meanwhile, YOU Australians never having defended YOUR Freedom
    remain, UNFREE
    And the associated cultural deficiency


    ​
     
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