The Religion Of Evolution And Infinite Typing Monkeys , , ,

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"You think you have the "How" all tied up. You know how life began
out of nothing. When you can replicate that, perhaps I will believe.
Until then, I'll leave you to your "faith".___Yabberfugee

Amen to that. Pure Faith it is too.

/Big Grin
The Ignore feature is your best friend.
I have I think 8 and counting on my Ignore List and I
never see a single word they write. Its like they do not
exist.

JAG


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This "theistic evolution" thing has NOTHING to do with science.

It's pure religion.

While I support you in believeing what you want about religion, the problem with this one is that it results in attacks on science, on education, on human knowledge that has been attained over the last thousands of years of human activity all over this world.

And, that is really bad news for America, as we are falling behind in science - which is the engine that drives the emerging economic sectors that are taking over as manufacturing and agriculture are a decreasing advantage for this country.

This is how we lose our standard of living as other countries move ahead. This is how we make horrible decisions for our citizens here at home - such as our monumental failure at defending against COVID, our failure to defend our water and air quality, our failure to address climate change that is and will impact our agriculture as well as determining where Ameircans may live.

We need to be informed and to promote science. Attempting to defeat science is a really bad idea.

 

I understand your reason. Think I've only ignored two or three....primarily because of their disdain for life. Some of these antagonists spark a response within me that i feel is good to let out. It helps me understand my own driving force. Don't know for sure if it helps solidify the thoughts of others, that is my hope. I certainly don't think I win converts from the avowed Godless.

 

I think , within the context of what you say, "faith" is a better word than religion. Religion is "what you are told to believe" for different motives. Faith is what you " Actually DO believe". Example: I believe you might have a very good deal of faith in what is purported to be actual science!

 

False.
Theistic Evolution lines up with whatever true science demonstrates
to be a scientific fact based upon Empirical evidences that rise to the
certainty-level of 2 + 2 = 4

That means if your precious Religion Of Evolution does actually prove
that human ancestors originally crawled up out of the Primordial Slime,
at some point the size of a speck, later to become the size of a marble,
later to become the size of an ice cube, , later to become Lizards or
Whatever You Say They Were, later to become Monkeys or Chimps,
later to become "George W. Bush" --- then Theistic Evolution will
line up with that Empirical 2 + 2 = 4 certainty.

But you have NOT YET proved that at the
certainty-level of 2 + 2 = 4 and your "biology
experts" can NOT even agree if Evolution is
a "fact" or a "theory" --- see up-thread for
proof of my claim.

Meanwhile, my view is that , , ,
You could not prove with Empirical Evidence that "George W. Bush"
originally started off as a speck that crawled up out of the Primordial
Slime if your life depended on you so doing.

Or if you were offered $100,000,000

How about , , ,
Attacks on bogus "science" and on the False-god-Science that
has, in the minds of some Thread-Soldiers, become the preferred
False-god of choice.

Attacks on personal opinions passed of as "education:" and
attacks on personal opinions passed off as "science" and
passed off as "knowledge" , , , ,

I myself do not attack true science or true knowledge or true
education and in fact I love them. I have a very bright cheerful
upward-mobile optimistic positive constructive view of the future
of God's Human Race Project and the future of THE key to all
of that -- which is worldwide Christendom ---so i love , ,
~ true science
~ true knowledge
~ true education , , ,
, , and consider all 3 of them to be crucial and ultra-important to the
bright rosy cheerful optimistic future of the Human Race and Christendom.

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Very important here , , ,
Then there is another very important matter to be decided and that
is exactly WHO gets to decide , , ,

, , , what is, or is not, true science, true knowledge, and true education?

I do NOT think I will let YOU decide that for ME , , ,

, , in fact I KNOW that I will NOT let YOU decide that for ME.

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Back To The Religion Of Evolution , , ,
Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.
You can not prove that "George" crawled up out of the
Slime -- but if it happened that way, So what? Who cares?

We Christians will forever believe in the God that created
the Human Person, the Human Brain, the Human Eye,
the Earth, the Universe, and all that exists ---

, , , how He did it, is interesting, but it has zero to do with
our Faith in God.

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}

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Thought For Today.
"No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through
him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor
life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the
future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor
anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us
from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
___Romans 8:37-39


JAG

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Contradictory Scientific Views Regarding , , ,
"Evolution as theory and fact in the literature"
{1} Evolution as fact
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{2} Evolution as fact and theory
4 entries

{3} Evolution as fact and not theory
4 entries

{4} Evolution as a collection of theories not fact
3 entries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolu...volution_as_theory_and_fact_in_the_literature

JAG

 

I'm may totally miss your point here. But ...

When making decisions I think we should be considering what has been learned about how our universe works. I have faith that will lead to a better result.

As for mixing religion/faith with science, that is just plain not going to work - even slightly. The two realms have totally different root assumptions, ideas of what is evidence, ideas on logic, definitions and requirements of propositions/hypotheses, objectives, methods of verification, ideas on process, etc.

If one mixes those, the result really can't possibly conform to the requirements of either and the mish mash of definitions is going to further ensure that what results is nonsense.

 

Amen to that.

I LOVE science. True science. My view is that God LOVES
true science too, for example Math , , ,

My view is that Math originated in the nature of God who
was the Original Mathematician --- just as all the other
disciplines also originated in the nature of God.

God was the , , ,
Original Mathematician
Original Physicist
Original Cosmologist
Original Inventor
Original Artist
Original Scientist
Original Oceanographer
Original Philosopher
Original Epistemologist
Original Empiricist
Original Poet
Original Writer
Original Lover {wanting the best for others}
Original Chooser { Volition }
Original Economist
Original Emotion-ist {the full range of All Good Emotions}
Original Planner
Original Creator
Original Designer
Original Technologist
Original Educator
Original Everything Good , , ,

, , and we humans participate in all that up there since we are
made in the image of God , , ,

, , and that above is why human beings, made in the image of God,
have been able to build the modern world and will be able to keep making
progress in Science and Technology for ever and ever, even when the
human race makes the transition from Earthly human history to Eternity.

Humans are made in the image of God and God has , ,
~ An Intellect --- and so do we humans
~ Emotions --- and so do we humans
~ Volition {a Will, the ability to choose -- and so do we humans

God's Human Race Project ends victoriously.

Long live science. True science.

JAG

 

WOW, just WOW! Now this guy is just quoting himself! Lots of large fonts and colours and stuff! It's like he needs to stress his ego! He knows nothing and understands less.

 

When one joins a Church and pledges loyalty to it's dogma of faith....that is religion. When one receives baptism, that is merely a physical representation of what has taken place in the inner man/women. That is all religion. When an actual change has taken place in the inner man, that is faith, and faith can grow.

True science is fact. It seeks to know the "how". I have seen some positive advances. I believe "natural selection" is a scientific proven fact. It is really interesting. To some more than others. Many feel at liberty to purport what they feel they know is scientific fact. Giving it that label makes their position seem to be "indisputable".

I don't care so much for the "how". What interests me is the "why". I would bet you don't even care to touch that....but I do. When you can replicate everything you believe (including life out of nothing).......I'll come over to your side.

 

I find the highlighting to make for easier reading with greater emphasis. I'm glad he takes the time to reach those that see themselves as "godless".

 

Science has no way of producing "fact". In scinece, a fact is a well documneted observation. For example, a temperature taken at a specific place and time using a particular device and methodology. Facts do not include logic of any kind.

I wish science had more consistent terminology and that the words were defined the same way in science as they are in general communication. I think that is the only point of confusion here.

Science doesn't actually create facts. However, it does create laws and theories, some of which are demonstrated to a serious level of certainty. Sometimes even scientiss communicate those as "fact" as they search for words the public might understand.

Evolution has been unassailable for years. It's one of the major foundations of all biology. That it is a theory and thus not what is defined in science as a fact is irrelevant. So, when being quoted scientists might call it a fact as they search for ways to bridge the terminology gap.

Your "2+2=4" thing is just a difference between math and natural science. In math, systems such as our numbers and various functions like "+" are fully defined, so there can be proofs. In natural sciences, there is no way to have a complete definition, because humans just don't know everything. So, in the natural world the challenge is to reduce the possibility of error, hopefully to a point where any possible remaining error is inconsequential.

 

Perhaps god didn't use magic but intelligence? Just appears magical.

Perhaps its true that our universe is a virtual reality created by something outside of this universe? It is possible.

 

Perhaps god didn't use magic but intelligence? Just appears magical.

Perhaps its true that our universe is a virtual reality created by something outside of this universe? It is possible.

 

And I shall do that anytime I so desire.

And shall continue to do that to my heart's content.
By the way, you misspelled colors.

False
Your personal insults duly noted.

False.
And clearly False.
You have not "laid a glove" on my many posts here in
this thread --- and everybody reading the thread KNOWS
that you have not "laid a glove" on any of my posts.
But you are good at personal insults.

False.
What you have to offer is personal insults.
If you had any actual rebuttals to my posts
you would not need your constant personal
insults
The people on your side know what you're doing
with your personal insults

JAG

 

Yes - science doesn't answer "why" questions - why are we here, why is there a "here", etc.

It does focus on how this universe works.

Nobody has all the answers. Religion certainly doesn't - there are millions of confliting ideas about the "why" questions. And science doesn't either - there isn't a theory of abiogenenisis, for example. In fact, he standard model of physics today is pretty well agreed to be at least incomplete.

I'm not looking for anyone to "switch sdies" I think we all have both sides.

I just want people to be careful of their sources when they look for the answer to some question they have.

If it's medicine, it should be asked of a doctor or other medical professional.

If you are looking for answers concerning heavenly forgiveness, search for someone who knows that topic.

 

sure, but you did not answer the question

 

evolution is a fact, there is a theory about that fact

gravity is a fact, there is a theory about that fact

 

Interesting perspective. Thanks for posting this.

 

The theory of Evolution can be settled science but still not 100% absolute truth. We can't know much of anything 100%. And that's not rational reason to smuggle in "so God belief is reasonable". We can be nearly certain about something, like that things will fall if we lift them up and drop them, and yet be wrong in a certain instance. Science isn't certainty of knowledge. Scientists don't pretend to know anything 100%. That would take faith and that is what the religious do (with far far less evidence for what they claim, if any evidence whatsoever).

 

And you don't think it's possible reality is a virtual reality. That the materialistic map isn't fact but mere assumption.


The arrogance of unproven assumption...

 

I gotcha.....but don't ask a scientist to explain the existence of matter. They don't know though they pretend they might.

 

" By the way, you misspelled colors."

Color, is the preferred spelling in the United States. The rest of the English-speaking world uses the longer form, colour.

 

I didn't know that.
Thank you for telling me.

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I should not have mentioned a misspelled word anyway,
me doing that --- was me being unnecessarily picky.

JAG


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