Trump is considering 'herd immunity', the failed Covid strategy which killed thousands in Europe

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  1. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    I'll do that just as soon as you believe facts.
     
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    From one of your links.

    Nonetheless, the long-term protective role of both masks and respirators is another emerging concern given the worldwide spread of SARS-CoV-2. A previous review of published literature, including 67 randomized controlled trials and observational studies, indicated that surgical masks and N95 respirators were supportive measures offering the most consistent protection.9 However, these reviewers also concluded that the assessment of such measures was difficult.9 With the COVID-19 pandemic, it has become necessary to widely implement supportive protection using masks or N95 respirators, which may subsequently enable further multiregional or multinational studies on these issues. Notably, Holshue et al10 reported the first case of COVID-19 in the United States from a stool specimen that tested positive using a real-time reverse-transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) assay.
     
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    Nope... all it takes is one virus to potentially infect someone... Wearing masks does not stop or prevent the spread of viruses.

    If you feel safe in your face diaper, feel free, but as for me, I see no reason to wear one.
     
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    Facts are not universal truths, nor are they proofs...
     
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    Sure they are.
     
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    Then stay the hell away from me
     
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    Use a water hose to send water into that sieve and tell us if the water travels as far past the sieve as it would have done if the sieve was not there
     
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    Nope... not what facts are...
     
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    So you're admitting that mask wearing doesn't work??

    That's besides the point that I can't spread a virus that I don't have...

    I would suggest that you stop fear mongering, stop being bigoted towards others due to that fear mongering, and start enjoying life again.
     
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    Irrelevant. All that matters is that it gets through the sieve... and that when you continuously touch the sieve, you still get water on yourself...
     
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    So just to be clear.
    You disagree with the size of particles that actually pass thru these masks?
    Not the specs, since they are much tighter than actual, but the tested values?
     
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    Dude, I've watched numerous videos of aerosolized particles going right through masks like there is no tomorrow...
     
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    You didn't answer the question.
     
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    Why would you be touching other people's sieves? You've been informed many times that you wearing a mask is to protect others from you but once again you ignore that.
     
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    Maybe he is like me--I make a practice of not answering silly questions, and there are plenty of them.
     
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    Based on no mitigation.


    Please don’t be intentionally inaccurate
     
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    I've been through it already...

    N95 masks are rated for particles of 0.3 micron size... Viruses are much smaller than that. People do not wear N95 masks anyhow; they wear disposable masks (rated for particles of 3.0 micron size, MUCH MUCH MUCH larger than viruses) or cloth masks (which are even worse).

    As I said, I have seen videos of people gently spraying aerosols through various masks (simulating a cough or sneeze) and the aerosols going right through them... Yes, N95's performed better than other masks, but N95's were still letting aerosols through all the less, hardly stopping/preventing the spread of aerosols, let alone viruses.

    Masks do not work.
     
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    He denied that he was considering the "passing over"/herd immunity approach. Yet that's what he's supporting now. There's nothing he won't lie about.
     
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    I didn't say that I would, but THEY would... and they would subsequently touch other things that I might subsequently touch...

    No... You just keep completely ignoring the irrationality of that belief (that "your mask protects me, and my mask protects you") ... That belief posits that masks CANNOT stop viruses from going through a mask from the outside-in, but that masks somehow CAN stop viruses from going through a mask from the inside-out.

    Masks are not "magickal one way barriers"... It is the VERY SAME PORES that are being discussed... That virtue signaling belief of "my mask protects you and your mask protects me" is completely and utterly ridiculous in every conceivable way...
     
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    A. Wash your ****ing hands

    B masks slow down and discourse what you spew. You know this. You’ve been told and shown proof numerous times and yet you continue with your tired zombie bullshit
     
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    Have you yet sprayed water through that mask to verify that the flow of water is impeded by a mask?
     
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    ... and then you touch stuff AFTER washing them??

    ... and, as I've said numerous times before, speed/distance is irrelevant. All that is relevant is that the virus still goes through/around the mask and still gets into the air... Nothing is being stopped/prevented...

    When have I ever mentioned zombies??
     
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    Your "magickal one-way barrier" belief is completely and utterly ridiculous, and as I've said before, speed/distance are irrelevant. All that matters is that viruses still go through/around the masks and still get into the air all the same...
     
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    The disease spreads primarily through droplets, the spread of which is significantly deterred if both parties are wearing a mask.
     
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    No one is claiming anything about such a "magickal" barrier. Viruses don't typically fly around independently of any medium. The most common medium for COVID are droplets. Which, yes, masks are great at preventing the spread of.
     
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