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Biden got money from Ukraine

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    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    Derkach, Ukrainian MP, published phone conversations between Biden and Poroshenko.
    He also claimed to show printouts of bank statements showing questionable fund transfers from Ukraine to Biden controlled entities.

    Run this through translator! The English versions on Western news sources leave out a lot of dirt on Biden that was being discussed there.

    https://tsn.ua/politika/derkach-opr...a-ta-poroshenka-pro-scho-ydetsya-1627273.html
     
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    Are you unveiling a conspiracy theory that Trump doesn't even know about?
     
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    I just hope an unbiased news agency will translate this in full for you soon.
    This just came out, so I’ll give it some time.
     
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    Once again, Democrats guilty of what they accuse Trump of.

    Hilarious.

    Yet, I highly doubt they will care.
     
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    Hurry to contact the POTUS entourage, the elections are coming up.
     
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    Hurry to contact Biden, he needs to create a cover story quick!
     
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    With all the conspiracies you guys fell for in the past, things like Russia, Putin, Russian mafia, German banks, not paying taxes, etc, you should be thrilled to have a new conspiracy to dwell on since all your prior ones circled the bowl.
     
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    Why are you so afraid to learn that Biden is some real corrupt scum?
     
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    Where's the actual evidence of your claim? Can you do better than Google translates of a random, unknown site?
     
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    TSN is a well respected news agency in Ukraine. I tried to find a properly translated source, but all of them missed out some bigger pieces. At least translate it out of curiosity of what people in another country are being told about Biden’s corruption. Aren’t you at least curious about that?

    Also, even liberals understand that mass media has bias, whether right or left. The article I presented here in Ukrainian language was not written for Americans and they mentioned some pretty scandalous things here. This is as neutral as you can get. Read it for own education!
     
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    The "story" is complete Bull, and this thread belongs in the Conspiracy section.

    Besides, his "story" was ALREADY Posted...

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...o-stay-involved-after.578466/#post-1072052382

    And, it is just about the 99th RE-Hash of a "story" that has been debunked a hundred times over.
     
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    This story is still breaking and completely destroys Biden, showing him as the corrupt garbage he is.

    Everyone sees this as true, despite the left wing running protection.
     
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    Nobody cares even if its true.. amorality and slimy tactics are the new normal thanks to Trump.
     
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    Until you can at least come up with a link that makes the accusation in English (see site rules) your OP is less than worthless.
     
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    Sorry, but I still have my hopes about humanity.
     
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    This is your opportunity to look at Biden’s behavior through the eyes of a foreigner who has no say in the US politics and therefore is totally impartial about the US interior politics.
    As they say, you can lead horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. ;)
     
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    Here's some some education for ya':

    Your OP's primary source, Andrii Derkach, has been sanctioned by the Tangerine Turd's own frakking Treasury Department for being a Kremlin agent trying to influence the 2020 election. Conspiracy fail. Epic conspiracy fail.

    https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm1118

    Treasury Sanctions Russia-Linked Election Interference Actors

    September 10, 2020

    Washington – Today, the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated four Russia-linked individuals for attempting to influence the U.S. electoral process. Russia uses a variety of proxies to attempt to sow discord between political parties and drive internal divisions to influence voters as part of Moscow’s broader efforts to undermine democratic countries and institutions. In the United States, Russia has used a wide range of influence methods and actors to target our electoral process, including targeting U.S. presidential candidates.

    Treasury designated Andrii Derkach (Derkach) pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13848 for his efforts to influence the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Derkach, a Member of the Ukrainian Parliament, has been an active Russian agent for over a decade, maintaining close connections with the Russian Intelligence Services. Derkach has directly or indirectly engaged in, sponsored, concealed, or otherwise been complicit in foreign interference in an attempt to undermine the upcoming 2020 U.S. presidential election. Today’s designation of Derkach is focused on exposing Russian malign influence campaigns and protecting our upcoming elections from foreign interference. This action is a clear signal to Moscow and its proxies that this activity will not be tolerated. The Administration is working across the U.S. Government, and with state, local, and private sector partners, to make the 2020 election secure.

    “Andrii Derkach and other Russian agents employ manipulation and deceit to attempt to influence elections in the United States and elsewhere around the world,” said Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin. “The United States will continue to use all the tools at its disposal to counter these Russian disinformation campaigns and uphold the integrity of our election system.”

    Derkach’s Election Influence Efforts

    From at least late 2019 through mid-2020, Derkach waged a covert influence campaign centered on cultivating false and unsubstantiated narratives concerning U.S. officials in the upcoming 2020 Presidential Election, spurring corruption investigations in both Ukraine and the United States designed to culminate prior to election day. Derkach’s unsubstantiated narratives were pushed in Western media through coverage of press conferences and other news events, including interviews and statements.

    Between May and July 2020, Derkach released edited audio tapes and other unsupported information with the intent to discredit U.S. officials, and he levied unsubstantiated allegations against U.S. and international political figures. Derkach almost certainly targeted the U.S. voting populace, prominent U.S. persons, and members of the U.S. government, based on his reliance on U.S. platforms, English-language documents and videos, and pro-Russian lobbyists in the United States used to propagate his claims.

    Treasury Continues to Hold Russian Actors Accountable

    Today’s designation of Derkach is another example of the Treasury department promoting accountability for Kremlin-linked individuals seeking to undermine confidence in U.S. democratic processes. Treasury has previously designated the Russian troll factory known as the Internet Research Agency (IRA), and its Russian financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin. Prigozhin has been designated by the United States pursuant to E.O. 13661, E.O. 13694, as amended, and most recently by E.O. 13848 for providing material support to the IRA’s influence activities against the 2018 U.S. midterm elections.

    Today, Treasury also designated three IRA actors pursuant to E.O. 13694, as amended by E.O. 13757, and E.O. 13848 for having acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, the IRA, an entity designated pursuant to E.O. 13694, as amended, and E.O. 13848. Russian nationals Artem Lifshits, Anton Andreyev, and Darya Aslanova, as employees of the IRA, supported the IRA’s cryptocurrency accounts. The IRA uses cryptocurrency to fund activities in furtherance of their ongoing malign influence operations around the world.

    OFAC coordinated today’s action against the IRA with the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia and the United States Secret Service.

    As a result of today’s designations, all property and interests in property of these targets that are subject to U.S. jurisdiction are blocked, and U.S. persons are generally prohibited from engaging in transactions with them. Additionally, any entities 50 percent or more owned by one or more designated persons are also blocked.

    View identifying information on the individuals designated today.
     
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    Derkach could be a piece of turd, but if the records are true, it doesn’t change his message about Biden. ;)
     
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    As they say, you can lead horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. Stick a firehose up its ass, however...
     
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    You can hate the messenger all you want, but he presented audio, which can be scientifically authenticated, that implicates Biden on some serious things.
    Do you support truth?
     
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    I'm also loving how Google Translate pretty much informs us in the first sentence that the OP's premise is utter bullshit:

    People's Deputy Andriy Derkach released another batch of slander against the fifth President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and US Vice President Joe Biden. In addition to the usual evidence of economic crimes, the recordings show a friendly conversation between politicians, who, in particular, mock US President Donald Trump. Більше читайте тут: https://tsn.ua/politika/derkach-opr...a-ta-poroshenka-pro-scho-ydetsya-1627273.html
     
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    There is a pattern developing....
     
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    Bbbbut.....
    They didn’t question its authenticity... :oldman:
     
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    Also, would like to point out - this channel is pro-US. They treat Derkach as an idiot who gets their country in trouble for publishing dirt on Biden. Notice, though, a very painful absence of dispute of the authenticity of Derkach’s statement. ;)
     
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