How Mail-in Voting Works

There is no contradiction. One has nothing to do with the other.

I have found that scam artists can be very creative. I got one the best I have seen in a long time on the phone a couple of days ago.

I am retired military and get my prescriptions through Express Scripts. I can't remember the exact words of the robo call but it was something like this. "This is Express Scripts with a call for Bill Davis. There is a problem with your prescription and you need to call us at xxx xxx xxxx or go to our website at yyyy.@tricare.com. I just about bit on it except for two things. First of all I do not go by my nickname, I go by my formal name, William J Davis, when dealing with Express Scripts. Then I noticed that was not the normal Express Scripts web site. I order prescriptions from them frequently.

I checked online and they identified it as a scam. They are phishing for credit card numbers and anything else they can get their hands on.

The thing was it was simple and believable. Except for the fact, that I noticed some minor irregularities, it would have worked because I get calls from Express Scripts like that.

BTW. My name is not William J Davis.

 

Nah.

It WOULDN'T be a "constitutional crisis of EPIC proportions".

Not in the least.

The only possible "constitutional crisis" revolves around Trump's Paranoia.

 

If you didnt want to respond to what I actually said, why did you bother responding? Non sequiturs waste everyone's time.

 

You can go online to see if your ballot has been received. You can take a photo of your ballot. Lots of protections built into the system.

 

You're going to keep picking nits, I can tell.

In every state where I've googled their process, there are several people involved in verifying mail-in ballots, and they do so sitting side hy side. These are people chosen from all parties. I double-dog dare anyone to try slipping unmailed ballot past this process and these people. Do you know how much jail time someone would get if yhey tried that?

My whole point here is that Trump is blowing smoke up our butts on the notion of mail-in voter fraud in preparation of his publicly stated plan to contest the results if he doesn't win.

 

Prove it can't be done. Provide links to prove you claim.

You can go online and find some ballot has been received. You cannot determine for sure that was the vote that was counted.

 

-Picking nits? So 50 million extraneous ballots constitute "nits"? I think it would be far more productive if you responded to what I actually said. Are you contending that it is not possible to introduce ballots into the pile AFTER the signature verification process? That would be your only legitimate response if you want to argue against what I have said. You either think that is a reasonable possibility or you do not. Please maintain the courage of your convictions and stop replying with non answers such as accusing me of picking nits which is a non answer. What I have proposed is a realistic situation where the introduction into the pile of a few hundred of these 50 million extraneous ballots could change the results of the national election. That is hardly a "nit". The less unused ballots floating around, the better. It is hard to argue otherwise with a straight face.

 

If you try to vote in person in addition to voting by mail, you will get caught. Can you spare five years of your life? For one vote?

Your links don't say how many ballots were found in that ditch, so fail on the "massive" bit.

The third link is about ballots uncounted because people were too stupid to follow simple instructions, or too lazy to mail them in on time. That isn't fraud, massive or otherwise. We may not be able to cure stupidity, but there should be some punishment, IMO. If you don't know and can't figure out how to vote by mail, perhaps you shouldn't vote at all.

 

Ballots have barcodes that are scanned before they're opened. I don't know how individual states process mail-in votes, but I'm certain they each have high-level security built into the system.

Here's a short article describing how Hawaii processes ballots. Please read it. The system is virtually foolproof. If you have evidence of other states' policies that are not so airtight, please present it.

How are mail-in ballots counted?

 

How do the poll workers verify that you are a registered voter? When I last voted in person, the poll worker looked me up in a large book, had me sign next to the signature I supplied when I registered, and verified it was a match. I don't know what state you live in, but I had the same experience in California and New York.

 

Sigh ...

Not once have I claimed that it couldn't be done, just not on Trump's "massive" scale.

I've already provided a link explaining how states secure their processes against fraud, and anotherlink where you can look to your heart's content at all recorded instances of voter fraud state by state. See the OP.

 

We have computer hacks who manage to get into the most secure systems. Do you think a system where virtually everyone has some access on some level to it is impossible to hack?

 

Again! Please explain how anyone could possibly make use of those fictitious 50 million extra ballots. Sorry, but the situation you describe is not realistic.

 

It is only a matter of scale. If there is no concern about voter fraud, why is there concern that Trump will fraudulently win the election?

 

Im in CA and I have never seen them verify my signature.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/

The whisteblower — whose identity, rap sheet and long history working as a consultant to various campaigns were confirmed by The Post — says he not only changed ballots himself over the years, but led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.

The ballot has no specific security features — like a stamp or a watermark — so the insider said he would just make his own ballots.

“I just put [the ballot] through the copy machine and it comes out the same way,” the insider said.

But the return envelopes are “more secure than the ballot. You could never recreate the envelope,” he said. So they had to be collected from real voters.

He would have his operatives fan out, going house to house, convincing voters to let them mail completed ballots on their behalf as a public service. The fraudster and his minions would then take the sealed envelopes home and hold them over boiling water.

You have to steam it to loosen the glue,” said the insider.

He then would remove the real ballot, place the counterfeit ballot inside the signed certificate, and reseal the envelope.

“Five minutes per ballot tops,” said the insider.

The insider said he took care not to stuff the fake ballots into just a few public mailboxes, but sprinkle them around town. That way he avoided the attention that foiled a sloppy voter-fraud operation in a Paterson, NJ, city council race this year, where 900 ballots were found in just three mailboxes.

“If they had spread them in all different mailboxes, nothing would have happened,” the insider said.

 

There most certainly is. It is far less complicated for you to fill out your late grandmother's ballot than it would be for you to coordinate the time, labor and expense necessary to steal an election.

If you work for a battery warehouse, you can get away with stealing a pack of AAA's once in awhile. Maybe even a case. Attempting to steal a containerload would require a much higher lever of sophistication and complexity than putting a 12 pack in your pocket.

Did he ask you to steal ballots? Tell me what this ballot scam artist is planning to do? I'm not sure what a scam artist would be trying to scam people into doing. Please explain.

Yes, I get bombarded with the same. Everybody does. What is the connection between this and mail-in ballots?

 

Stupid can't be cured, but ignorance in the age of information is a choice.

 

Two points. One- I'd like you to see the interview with the guy who made it a business, that certainly makes it clear.
Secondly, we have actors in the election today that are already doing outrageous things to alter the votes; it would seem foolish to think their is enough character to keep them from using any means possible to achieve the goal.


20 years back, I would have agreed with you. Today, it's clear that all limits are off the table.

 

It is just an example of how creative they can be. You keep asking for a scenario. There are virtually an unlimited number of ways it could be attempted. Just like there is an virtually unlimited number of ways you can be scammed.
It would be similar to my Express Script scam. They knew enough about the system to make the scam realistic. That is the key to security breaches or scams. You don't know you have a security breach or scam until it is too late. The best ones go undetected.

 

So in your estimation it is impossible to slip any ballots into the pile? Really?

I have explained my position in a fair amount of depth. All you have done is say no. I feel safe in the belief that my argument is FAR more compelling. We can let the reader decide.

 

Its called a joke, now read your signature again.

Besides, none of this would even be an issue with in person voting and voter id would it...

 

This is nothing we don't already know.

First of all, I'm gonna have to mention that this is an anonymous source. Am I to understand you accept the story published by the Atlantic? For the record, I accept both.

Organized crime is a problem everywhere, especially in NY and NJ. But just because drug cartels are highly successful doesn't mean we're all addicts.

Nobody's vote should be disenfranchised, but hundreds of votes in cities with millions of registered voters is exactly what we already know. The incidence of fraud is inconsequential.

 

Yes, but the scams you're illustrating have a financial motive. They involve a transfer of information and/or funds.

TheImmortal posted a report describing some methods used by criminals to scam people in their efforts at voter fraud. By necessity, these efforts target specific groups, rely on cooperation and trust from many, and are severely limited in scope because of this. You, I and most people don't fall for scams, and likewise, you, I and most people don't participate in criminal enterprise. The incidence and consequence of mail-in (and other) voter fraud is miniscule. This has been proven, study after study, including the commission assembled by Trump in 2017.

 

Do you think elections have no financial motives?

There have been study after study about computer hacks where they haven't found anything. Do you believe they did not occur just because they did not find them?