How Mail-in Voting Works

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  1. Phyxius

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    Still waiting for you to successfully vote fraudulently and prove your assertion that mail-in voting is completely insecure.
     
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    The BAR CODES are validated AUTOMATICALLY in NC so unless you can REPLICATE a bar code it is IMPOSSIBLE for a mailed in ballot to be fraudulent.
     
  3. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've heard of no such concern. Trump's way of cheating here is to get his believers to think that the vote-by-mail system is chaotic and will lead to massive voter fraud. That's what this thread is about.

    There has been very little voter fraud in our history, as the second link in the OP shows. He's polling below Biden in nearly all states, including swing states that he managed to carry in 2016. His only hope of staying in power is either a miracle cure for the virus or creating as much chaos and confusion as possible over the result.
     
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    I'm from California and voted there many times, and my signature was checked.

    How do they verify that you're registered? Maybe it differs from county to county, or they've changed it since the last time I voted in person, which was in San Jose in 2004.

    In any case, this thread is about Trump's nonsense regarding "massive voter fraud" and the chaos he hopes to create around the election result. He wants to take the result to the courts, where a six to three advantage on the SCOTUS will, he thinks, decide in his favor. That's his real reason for wanting to push through on Ginsberg's replacement, and why he is now constantly whining about mail-in ballots, which are just as secure as in person votes.
     
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    Is this not listed in the Heritage Foundation database?

    Was it "massive"?

    Did he get caught?

    Did he change the outcome of an election?
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is that the best you can do, repeat my signature back to me? I'll bet you didn't bother to read either of the links in the OP.

    Epic fail ... no surprise. You can't show evidence of massive mail-in ballot fraud because there hasn't been any such thing, ever.

    Please don't reply unless you have a grownup point to make on this issue.
     
  7. Sleep Monster

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    I've explained my position in great detail in the OP. There has been no massive voter fraud in the U.S. There will always be bad guys who try to cheat, and no election system on the planet is entirely secure, but the point of this thread is to both explain how mail-in ballots are processed, and to negate Trump's blatantly false claims about massive voter fraud.

    As for the boxes containing ballots, most states have plugged the security "holes" in their processes. Once a ballot is placed in the box for verified ballots, the box is handled by at least two people (one from each party here in Colorado) and they are weighed. When they get to the scanning equipment, the weight must match what was recorded when the box was filled. This security process may even be a result of the guy you posted about.

    Trump needs us to think the election will be utter chaos. It's looking more and more like he will lose those swing states that brought him the EC votes in 2016. He has already told us that if he loses, he'll contest te result in the court. He's also been saying that the SCOTUS needs nine justices for that very reason. He's hoping that a six to three imbalance in the court will give him the win.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those are good questions.

    How many American voters do you know who would sell their votes? Enough to change the result of a national election?

    How many would say "Sure, give me a hundred bucks and I'll vote for your guy" then go to the polls and vote for whoever they wanted in the first place?

    How many "goons" would it take to threaten or intimidate enough people to sway an election?

    What diminished police forces do you mean? Please provide a link, thank you.
     
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    If it was well done, it would not be detected. In the meantime, we keep hearing about mail in ballots in the trash or not counted for a variety of reasons.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please explain the method Democrats will use via mail-in ballots in order to steal this election. Given the processes by which most states are using to verify the validity of the ballots, how will Dems cheat that? Please provide details and a link if you have one.
     
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    Sounds like to MANY human hands touching them for me :)

    Or something like this could happen LMFAO

    Nothing to See Here: Just a Bunch of Mailed Ballots in a Ditch on the Side of the Road
    Posted: Sep 24, 2020 7:15 PM
     
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    https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-budget-15-million-defund-cannabis-council-vote/

    There is one example, I'm sure there are many more. Reduced police budgets diminish the police ability to reduce crime. If this becomes a trend in large cities, areas run by gangs can easily intimidate the population to vote the way they demand. Extortion happens all the time, especially in gang controlled territory. I'm of the opinion that a secure location with a secret ballot is the ONLY way to ensure people cannot be intimidated or bribed for their vote.

    And your comment ""Sure, give me a hundred bucks and I'll vote for your guy" then go to the polls and vote for whoever they wanted in the first place" highlights exactly why I think voting should take place at a physical, secure polling location.
     
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    That is like explaining how phone scammers are going to scam you. There are thousands of ways they might try. And they are successful. Otherwise, they would have given up a long time ago.

    In the meantime, democrats keep ignoring example after example of massive irregularities which may or may not be intentional.
     
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    What part of the fact that if they were doing there job her name wouldn't still be on the roles in the first place, do you not understand?
     
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    If only it worked that way everywhere.
     
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    That would assure Democrats would win Florida on just about every single race on the ballot.

    I would love for Democrats to win Florida. But by the will of the people. Not because of a voter fraud scheme by Trump that backfires. Like undermining mail-in voting. Which has been the preferred way of voting by Republicans since it started.

    Only thing that would make me happy is if everybody votes however the hell they want without the President* threatening to nullify their vote if he doesn't win.
     
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    "Very rare" is still not zero, so there is cause for concern especially with how close this election will likely be, but IMO it is a risk for both parties not just the GOP. And we can't forget the whole "voter suppression" nonsense either, how many cases of that have actually happened in the last half century?

    In '16 Trump did the same thing he is essentially doing now and Obama claimed there was no way to interfere with elections. Then we went through years of endless accusations that Trump somehow cheated in '16 and the republicans had suppressed the minority vote. Now, oddly enough, we are seeing the same thing again. Both sides are building a case to challenge their loss.

    Point being, we see this pattern every single time. Both sides claim the process is somehow being manipulated by the other side. That is why for the life of me I can not understand why in person voting and voter ID are not mandatory. Eliminate the risk and be done with it.
     
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    I am bored with this conversation. We have both had our say and it is time to let the reader decide who made the more persuasive argument. I see no point in continuing with a never ending circular debate.
     
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    I've only heard of a couple of instances of lost ballots, so I don't think "we keep hearing" applies.

    Are you still missing my point? This issue is about Trump's incessant whining about a virtually non-existent problem, and how he is using it to create doubt and confusion. Nothing anyone has posted on this thread negates that fact.
     
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    They just ask my name, I sign, and they give me my ballot. I received my notice that I will be receiving a mail in ballot against my will. If this election is close, Trump will contest it and make the hanging chad issue look like a picnic by comparison. This gift was handed to him by the Democrats.

    I hope he replaces Ginsberg with someone who respects the constitution. Especially the second amendment. California doesn't recognize these rights.
     
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    Thst last bit doesn't make sense. I'm quite secure voting in the privacy of my home, sealing my ballot into an envelope, and dropping it in a drop box that exists only for that purpose. The bar code on the envelope is unique to me and allows me to track my ballot all the way to the county clerk's office where it gets scanned and counted. I disagree with the notion that in person voting is any more secure than that.

    And this year especially, I want to avoid crowds and lines. I prefer to remain among the living.
     
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    What "massive irregularities"?

    I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with your assessment of the nefarious plans of Democrats. For me, the only one sowing confusion and uncertainty is Trump. He's doing so because he isn't confident that he can win just on message and policies alone. He's cheated at everything else for his entire life, so this is no different, it's just very public and on a larger scale.
     
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    Some states aredoing abetter job of it than others, but that doesnot in any way indicate that there will be chaos in the result or any massive fraud with the ballots. This is just Trump trying to win at any cost because he can't seem to win on message.
     
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    Well is not any worse then the whining from the other side insisting that USPS is competent when it counts.. All they are good for today is delivering a box full of garbage flyers or spam mail if you like.. I send ANYTHING of value and it goes UPS, FEDX or FEDEX, never the USPS!

    In fact, 90 days ago I sent back a $1200 bank draft for over pay on that stimulus bullshit and was alerted by my bank that the check had not been processed and they would have to put/credit the amount back in to my account! SOOOO if a $7 priority mail envelope from the USPS can't make it ONE STATE away to the IRS, well, excuse me if I have no confidence in regards to those morons to deliver or get my ballot to where it needs to be IN TIME to be counted LMFAO :roll:
     
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    It is more than Trump. It is common sense.
     

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