President Trump, first lady Melania test positive for coronavirus

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  1. Lucifer

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    Where have you been for the last 4 years?

    Everyone Trump touches eventually lies for him, and those that don't -- well, you've seen the trail of bodies that have left the WH.
     
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    I'm saying he publicly said one thing and when he thought the cameras were off said something completely different about the President's health.
     
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    This "when did he know," question is starting to stink.

    There was a clarifying memo coming out from the "doctor," that says, I didn't mean to say 72 hours, it's been three days.

    Now, my husband just heard that the memo has spelling, grammar and punctuation errors. Was this memo put out by a doctor? Does the president's doctor not know how to math?
     
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    And I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the audacity and lack of concern for not reaching out to the Biden camp to inform them of the president's positive test result is just infuriating!

    Even from a hospital bed, Trump is still stirring chit up.
     
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    He contradicted the doctor to reporters. He intended what he said to become public
     
  6. The Mello Guy

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    Now if sounds like he started getting drugs before he went to a buffet fundraiser
     
  7. Lucifer

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    Sarcastically I'm thinking we may not need an election to decide the next president.
     
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    No, he'll do no better, he is incapable of acting like an adult.....and his handlers know it...
     
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  9. MJ Davies

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    This article is about Trump receiving supplemental oxygen before he was taken to Walter Reed but it mentions the timeline issue.

    https://richmond.com/news/national/...cle_20eec998-0868-5712-b092-146e34669044.html

    Excerpt...
     
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    I'm afraid you might be correct. What's the point in making mistakes if one doesn't learn from them? I try to learn from mine.

    I have also been wondering about what his stance on masks will be after this experience. It's been said that it's possible to catch it again. I was a bit surprised that Barrett was negative this time because she had it over the summer.

    Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f7c7ce-04cf-11eb-8879-7663b816bfa5_story.html
     
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    Second infections have been extremely rare. Barrett was negative this time for antigen, not antibodies, I'd assume.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying this. My head is spinning as the numbers climb from those that attended the ceremony.
     
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    A PCR test typically takes at least a few hours. He probably was tested first with a rapid test which can give a false positive, so likely (no certainly, it's been said that his test was PCR) it was confirmed by the PCR which takes a few hours; supposedly the result came late Thursday and he tweeted 1 AM Friday.
     
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    No, it doesn't make sense. Much of this doesn't.
     
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    What do you think about the doctor's comment regarding 72 hours? I recall you posting within minutes after Trump's tweet went out, but what if he knew a few days before posting anything?
     
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    Other than the fact that one specifically addresses the Office of the President of the United States. Fact is, the Vice President WILL need to take the oath should he become President....even if his interim is for a short time.
     
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    If you want to take a vaccine with no long term studies done on its safety, you go right ahead. Good luck
     
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    Day one was Thursday. Day two, Friday. Day three, today. I don't see a problem with the timeline. PCR test done Thursday afternoon after Hope Hicks tested positive. A few hours later (PCRs take a while), positive PCR in late evening. Trump tweets at 1 AM.

    Today, supposedly his pulse ox is 96% in room air. This is excellent news. The antibody cocktail did work, he's on the correct supplements, and has started a 5-day course of remdesivir, and that's what is recommended by the second RCT for remdesivir, which showed excellent separation from placebo in a 5-day course.

    The president is getting excellent treatment and his pulse ox of 96%, no longer needing the oxygen supplement he needed on Friday, is excellent news. The treatment is working. I strongly believe that he will NOT progress to more serious symptoms. Now I'm VERY confident that the president will recover. Sure, the next 48 hours are critical but if he maintains a pulse ox of 96 or higher (the usual pulse ox for a healthy person is 98%) for the next 48hrs, I'd say it is almost guaranteed that he will recover.

    Be well, Mr. President!
     
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    Really? If a vaccine is produced in less than a year how have studies on long term detrimental effects been done? How do you know what might happen 3, 5 or 10 years after you take the vaccine that was rushed? How do you know cancer rates don’t increase by 50 or 80% which is not uncommon in vaccine trials for animals.

    But guess what? The vaccines you’re going to be taking were moved from theory to human trials in less than three months. You don’t even know the long term effects on ANIMALS by that point.
     
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    I just thought of another question, if you don't mind. Is there a reason a recovered person needs to wear a mask since second infections are rare?
     
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    Here's what comes to my mind when I see/hear Liberals discussing Trump catching the Chinese virus - dogs, panting in anticipation :D

     
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    What "long term" studies do you want? ALL vaccines follow the same sequence that ALL current candidates (except for the Russians) have followed or are following: animal studies (pre-clinical), phase 1 with about 50 people, phase 2 with about 600-1000 people, phase 3 with 30,000-50,000 people. Period. At the end of phase 3 if a vaccine, any vaccine, all vaccines in the market, if they have passed phase 3 with flying colors, they get approved. NO SAFETY CORNERS ARE BEING CUT for the Covid-19 vaccines. The acceleration is exclusively in resources for R&D and manufacturing infrastructure and logistics, plus cost-sharing to encourage the companies to move from phase to phase without being paralyzed by fears of losing a lot of money if the vaccine gets to a roadblock, but the safety tests are NOT being accelerated and are proceeding as usual for any vaccine. People who pretend otherwise are spreading misinformation, and I wonder what their agenda is.
     
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    Clinical trials ALONE take 6-7 years on average and it’s not because they have difficulty procuring supplies.

    Animal trials ALONE usually take 3-6 years. The Chinese sequenced the genome of the virus and within TWO MONTHS we were beginning human trials. Which means they had to take a process which includes testing (usually) HUNDREDS of different possible vaccines on animals before they come up with a few that are considered safe enough for human trials... which takes YEARS to do safely and effectively... and they not only accomplished finding the correct, safe vaccine but they also procured all the needed materials to do so in TWO MONTHS. And you want to pretend that’s even REMOTELY safe?

    Don’t feed me that bullshit. You can feed the rest of these people that but I know better.
     
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    We don't know yet how long the immunity lasts. And the degree of immunity varies from person to person. Some people with asymptomatic or mild disease don't seem to develop a lot of antibodies. Also, if neutralizing antibodies fade, the person will still have cell immunity that will jump start almost immediately if the person encounters the virus again, thus preventing the person from developing the clinical disease again (would have for a short time the infection but not the disease), but conceivably although briefly, the person might still have a short period of being a possibly infectious carrier, before the cell immunity jump started the antibody production again and killed the virus. But I'd say that generally speaking, a survivor is not a big risk for himself/herself and for the community. That person not wearing a mask is no tragedy. But is it a bit better to still wear one? Sure. In at least one case, the second infection was actually worse than the first one (a man who had a mild case that did not require hospitalization and then later developed a second infection for which genetic sequencing proved that it was a different strain so it was a real second infection, had the second one with moderate symptoms that required hospitalization).
     
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