President Trump, first lady Melania test positive for coronavirus

That makes sense. I've learned quite a bit from your medical posts. Thanks for explaining it.

 

You don't know better. You are wrong.
The mRNA technology is much faster. You're simply not up-to-date.
And the safety is being proven by itself.
Pray tell, what is the usual size of a phase 3 trial?
Regardless of how fast they got to the vaccines, they ARE working and ARE looking very safe in phase 3 trial. That's what matters.
There were a bunch of candidates. Take a good look at my State of the Vaccines trial, pinned to the top of the Coranavirus Pandemic Discussions sub-forum.
What happened is that there was unprecedent effort by the medico-scientific community and it paid off, regardless of your misinformed fear-mongering.

 

No see because I’m logical. We can’t just say, forget how they came up with the correct vaccine. The scenario you put forth only leaves THREE possible conclusions.

1) They accomplished a statistically impossible task and were exceedingly fortunate enough to pick the right vaccine out of combinations of hundreds and its working beautifully in phase three trials. Or..

2) They are lying to us about the data coming out of the clinical trials and it’s not as safe as they say it is. Or...

3) They knew about the genome sequencing and the virus AT LEAST months to years before they’ve told us about it. Which has consequences that are far reaching and entirely negative.

If you want to believe in the least likely of those three scenarios... by a statistical MILE... go right ahead.

 

And they are doing that naturally world wide, is that what you mean.
2 German companies are working on the mRNA vaccine, curevac and bioNtech, you suggest that the German Health Department/ Government are allowing false information ?
Really

 

Well, that I don't know. I'm not part of the president's medical staff. I think it's not impossible that he simply misspoke, and said 72 hours when he meant day 3. But I wouldn't trust what comes out of the president's entourage because it's known that they often tell politically-motivated lies.

 

Karma came and bit him in the tail huh? How's that hoax working out now?

 

Dude you’re clearly intelligent. What is the statistical likelihood that they picked the correct vaccine which went from theory and successfully made it through animal trials in two months and all three phases of clinical trials in less than a year?

 

Number one is correct. There were a bunch of vaccine candidates (J&J for example tried several different candidates in animal trials before settling for one of them). Take a good look at my State of the Vaccines trial, pinned to the top of the Coranavirus Pandemic Discussions sub-forum. What happened is that there was unprecedent effort by the medico-scientific community and it paid off, regardless of your misinformed fear-mongering.

Number two is incorrect. I have direct access to the data. The data are reliable. The one vaccine that did get a severe reaction (transverse myelitis), the Oxford/AstraZeneca one, had its trial halted and a review was done by the Data and Safety Monitoring Board. The conclusion was favorable and the trial resumed in the UK, Brazil, and South Africa but the FDA is being more prudent and is reviewing more data before allowing the trial to proceed in the US. This alone should show to you that safety is NOT being curtailed.

I do not trust the Gamaleya one, Sputinik V, and the Lancet publication of their phase 1 results is very suspicious with clues that point to manipulation of the data. This is the only one for which your concerns are valid. But the fact that the Russians are cutting corners doesn't mean that others are doing it, too.

Number 3 is a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Please respect this forum's Admin's guidelines and only post conspiracy theories in the Conspiracy Theories subforum. Thanks.

 

What is your agenda? Why do you want to discredit the vaccines? What exactly are you trying to accomplish? All fair questions, given your fear-mongering.

 

Funny thing about karma, it's a double edged sword. I would not gloat over it.

 

Even day 3 would be troubling. The announcement was only about 35 hours before the doctor was speaking.

 

But not if he meant days, not hours. Thursday, day one. Friday, day two. Saturday, day 3. But again, like I said, it's not like I trust the president's entourage to be telling the truth. Obviously it would be EXTREMELY damaging to him, politically, if it gets known that he was known to be positive but showed up late do the debate and declined to be tested; supposedly the extended a courtesy to him and allowed him in without testing him. If he knew to be positive and chose to expose Biden anyway, I think that this would be the end of his bid for re-election.

 

LoL excuse me for not taking your “access to information” as gospel.

The only agenda I have is not taking a vaccine that was either falsified or worse was intended for us to take before the virus even broke out. Regardless, you danced around my question by just saying “there were a bunch of good vaccine candidates”. My question is HOW did they get there? They just got lucky? Which is basically your assertion.

Which is cute and all but it’s statistically impossible.

 

So you believe that the world's medical community has set out to kill the entire population of the planet? What are you getting at, here?

 

His base would still support him.

Also, when the doctor said they received notice of Hope Hicks he said something to the effect that they "retested" him, which doesn't need to be a related event. That could have just been a second (or third) positive.

This is the problem with having zero credibility and dodgily answering questions. The press were trying to get him to clarify the 72 hours thing AT the press conference, but he seemed oblivious.

 

It's also the problem with conspiracy theories. Has Crossfire Hurricane not taught anyone, anything?

 

Believing what someone said the first time they say it isn't a conspiracy theory.

 

The idea that Trump knew he was infected with the coronavirus and attended the debate is a conspiracy theory.

Which if true, would be felony assault if he were targeting Biden if not attempted murder so for the sanctity of believing he's not that callous I'm going to call it a conspiracy theory.

 

It's sad but True

If Trump dies because of the Virus ............

Hundreds of Thousands of Americans ( Republicans ) will be saved due to beginning to take the Virus seriously

If Trump Lives he'll likely portray the Virus as a nothing Burger and push harder

to reopen the economy killing Hundreds of Thousands of Americans ( Republicans ) in the process

 

The Trump campaign never informed the Biden campaign that Trump had tested positive. We don't know when he contracted it, but their team not notifying the Biden campaign is at best unprofessional.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ot-notify-biden-of-possible-covid-19-exposure

 

Umm what? Post where I sure say "science" a lot..
Here i have one for you. You sure talk out your &$% a lot about stuff you don't know anything about except from qanon terrorists.

 

11 people from his debate team in Cleveland now have COVID.

 

Whatever, do doubt my access to the information; you don't know me in real life and you don't need to believe me because I'm not about to tell you who I am, this being an anonymous forum. But yes, I do have the access, and I'm not about to lose any sleep because some misguided fearmonger in an anonymous Internet forum doubts me. Whatever.

No, they didn't just got lucky. They worked very hard and very fast. Moderna for example, the first one to get to a first viable mRNA vaccine after the sequencing, took 44 days to do so and it is extraordinary and unheard of, but how they did it, is that they hired 100 additional scientists and put everybody to work in shifts 24/7. Yes, it is surprising but I'm thankful for this outstanding effort that paid off, and it is not some clueless fearmonger that will be able to disprove it.

You don't want the vaccine? Don't take it. It's your decision. I lament it because I care for people's health which is what I've been doing for a living for the last 40 years. But do know that this virus is a lot worse than you may imagine. Look at even the Oxford/AstraZeneca problem. When they reached the 20,000 subjects mark they encountered a second case of a neurological reaction. The first one was a bout of MS which was looked at and thought to be unrelated to the vaccine. The second one concerns me much more, a case of transverse myelitis which is much worse than for example the Guillain-Barré cases that plagued the 1976 flu vaccine. So, if we discount the MS, we have 1 bad reaction in 20,000 people. But let's even be strict here and consider that the Oxford/AstraZeneca mRNA vaccine is suspected of having caused 2 severe neurological reactions per 20,000 subjects, so 1 per 10,000 subjects.

This is bad as far as vaccines go because they are supposed to be given to healthy subjects by the billions so 1 case in 10,000 is bad.

But now let's look at the virus. It kills 1 case in 100 and it maims many more. It's becoming clear that AT LEAST 10% of survivors develop severe consequences. AT LEAST because the preliminary emerging data look really scary, in two target organs: the brain; some will say that up to 50% of survivors develop encephalitis that can result in cognitive sequelae. The heart, the German study showed 78% of survivors, including 67% of them that had mild cases that did not need hospitalization, and including many with no underlying medical conditions, and their studied population was youngish with a median age of 49 with a standard deviation of 12 (therefore one SD down and we're talking about people aged 35), showed up with inflammatory myocarditis with markers that suggest a likelihood of bad prognosis leading to heart failure in a few years.

But OK, let's not even talk about the odds being that high such as 50% and 78% (in only two organs, not to forget the pulmonary fibrosis, renal insufficiency, strokes, etc.). Let's be generous and talk of 10%.

OK, now we have this situation: the disease itself kills 1% and maims 10%. To make the calculation easier, let's say that it maims 9% so added to the 1% dead, it's 1 in 10 cases that have a bad outcome.

Compare this to even a BAD vaccine with 1 in 10,000 risk of a severe (but not fatal) reaction.

What seems to you to be worse, 1 in 10 or 1 in 10,000? And this, if we compare the real danger of the virus to a vaccine that WON'T be approved if it is confirmed that it is causing neurological reactions in 1 in 10,000 subjects. The others are NOT showing this, at least not yet and some are very close to the 30,000 mark, so the others are even better than the danger of the virus itself. Pfizer has spontaneously increased the size of their phase 3 trial to 44,000 subjects. If none of these 44,000 develops a severe reaction, would you still prefer a disease that kills and maims 1 in 10 people???

So, sure, it's your decision, but it's a boneheaded one, and a surprising one for someone who advertises himself as "I know better and I don't take BS." Yeah, right.

"Intended for us to take even before the virus even broke out" - OK, you lost me. Now it's clear that you ARE a conspiracy theorist. So what do you think is the intention? World domination? Maybe the vaccine has a quantum computer nanochip that will go to our brains and transform us in slaves of Bill Gates and George Soros, activated by the 5G network? I suggest that you put down the tinfoil hat, and it is regrettable that I won't be able to see if you followed my sensible suggestion, because I have no interest in continuing to dialogue with conspiracy theorists, therefore as of now you are a proud member of my Ignore list. Have a nice and safe life. Over and out.

 

You know, blacks and Hispanics who are more likely to vote Democrat (although for the latter this is becoming less valid but is still valid) are dying in much higher proportion so if this thing keeps spreading it may very well kill more Democrat voters than Republican voters. Anyway, at the very least, the virus is an equal opportunity killer. The virus doesn't care if you are Republican or Democrat. Everybody, regardless of partisanship, should be prudent when facing this virus. I wish we were all more united in combatting a common enemy.

 

This is what Trump is being treated with:

I haven't heard much about these two. I think these are the two I want if I ever need treatment.

https://www.wishtv.com/news/national/doctors-trump-has-no-fever-or-trouble-breathing/