2020 Electoral Map Based on Polls

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    I haven't heard of these 'San Antonio Southerland Springs', anymore than I'd heard of the boogaloo bois or the proud boys(who've denounced white supremacy.) It's looking for a boogeyman and I'm disappointed(though not surprised) the FBI joined this effort, and hey they found ONE!

    You don't realize how embarrassing it is, because it's not embarrassing for you. For me, it's a shame to look at that our law enforcement has stooped so low.
     
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    You don't need to be a white supremist to be a domestic terrorist, but most of Trump's are.
     
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    Again, it's absolutely embarrassing and I can only be thankful they weren't in the intelligence community at a time where the foreign jihadists were at the peak of their power, and I am still wary of their ability to commit attacks. They've been too quiet.
     
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    I don't watch network or cable TV. When I do see a clip, it comes from bloggers I trust to get things straight.
     
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    That explains it.
     
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    All speculation of course. We don't even know Biden will win.
     
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    Sure... assuming that.

    I call myself out for screwing that post up.. I wrote "Hawley or Cruz or Hawley", where I meant Cotton for the 2nd Hawley... Sometimes, I cannot tell these generic white guys apart... I thank Rafael for growing the face fuzz... that helps...
     
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    Always add at least 5 to 10 points to Trump's approval numbers to adjust for polling bias and the well documented polling blind spot.
    It will help reduce election night shock and awe.
    Or just read the UK Guardian for a heads-up. :)


    "Large numbers were alienated by Clinton as a candidate in 2016 but since then a gap has opened up with the broader Democratic party and Biden has failed to bridge it.

    The once heavily unionized Iron Range is part of one of the few congressional districts to flip to the Republicans in the otherwise disastrous 2018 midterms for Trump as voters in the region liked his showdown with China over steel dumping and a promise to clear the way for vast new mines blocked by Obama."
    THE GUARDIAN, 'The Democratic party left us': how rural Minnesota is making the switch to Trump, By Chris McGreal in Virginia, Minnesota, Fri 16 Oct 2020.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/16/minnesota-democrat-switch-trump-election
     
  9. AmericanNationalist

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    I believe Cruz is Hispanic. So even when the Left has this disgusting identity politics thing going on, it can't get it done right.
     
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    Mussolini accurately defined fascism: "Everything for the state, nothing against the state, no one outside the state.'"

    "The essence of fascism is totalitarianism and a useful definition of totalitarianism might be the following: all aspects of human life are subject to the intervention of the state which reserves the right to provide final judgments, both value judgments and practical judgments, and all the various areas of human expression. No aspect of human behavior is immune to the ultimate definition and control of the state. Mussolini's famous slogan is in order here: "Everything for the state, nothing against the state, no one outside the state.'"
    S. J. Woolf Editor, "The Nature of Fascism," Random House NY 1968p. 11.
     
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    OK... mostly white guys and one barely off-white guy...

    But to be fair, Hawley and Cotton are REALLY REALLY white, so it balances out...
     
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    This is mostly true, but there's nuances in the wording. The State doesn't want to intervene in every manner(as it regarded Italy, they actually set up a rather elaborative structure, in fact it ended up being too elaborative) and because of the structuring of the regulations, "the trains were on time" as they say now about Mussolini's Italy.

    Rather, the State wants to enhance the quality of its existence by means of self-productive means, and wants to elevate its stature by elevating the stature of its citizens. Fascism is essentially cooperation between the government and its citizens for the betterment of both. The government is only 'totalitarian' with respect to its field of laws and regulations. And it is the people and the circumstances that determine whether there's a need for many laws, or few laws.

    As it relates to 'judgments', the question is simple: Is it useful for the State or dangerous to the State or neither? If it's useful for the State, it is exalted. if it's dangerous to the State(which in turn normally is dangerous for its citizens, as the State is empowered to protect the citizenry), the State discards it.

    But most what we would call private property rights, or assemblies, etc is neither dangerous nor necessarily useful. It's a matter of human behavior which by and large is irrelevant and therefore not of the State's interest.

    Today, Fascism is making a comeback because Fascism is the ideal government, a government that recognizes that the people do need a form of guidance in the form of a consistent stable philosophy, and not one that swings back and forth. When the people can trust the government, and the government can trust the people they form an unbreakable bond that will lead to major and small successes alike.
     
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    Fascism has never gone away, not even in Italy after they hanged Mussolini by his heels.
    Modern Socialist leaders occasionally admit the truth.

    "The differences between fascism, socialism, and national socialism evaporate under examination. Even contemporary socialist leaders recognize that there is little that differentiates modern socialism from fascism. The last Italian socialist Prime Minister Guiliano Amato had a rare insight into the nature of his government which he described as a "partyocracy" combining "Christian Democrats, Communists, and Socialists". He went on to describe his government as nothing more than "the continuation of fascism".

    "...Mussolini's legacy - a legacy preserved, nurtured, and perfected by the post war Italian regime. Indeed it is impossible to overstate the debt, which that regime, although it traveled under the banner of *anti*-fascism, owed, precisely to fascism. Most of the features of modern Italy's welfare state were invented by none other than Mussolini, himself, and the states instruments of control of the economy, and some of the social welfare agencies, still bear the names he gave them." No, Italy Is Not Going Fascist", Angelo M. Codevilla. Commentary Vol. 98 - 2# August 1994.

    The ideal would, IMO, be something along the lines of the USA during the first 40 years after the revolution, but for human beings achieving an ideal form of government is just a dream to be rejected as impossible.

    The Big Bad USG could be cut in half and still be a Big Government.
    Half as bad would be real progress.
    I think history has proved conclusively that human beings should never trust government.
     
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    Very hard to pin any sort of fascism on Trump no matter how you define it.
     
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    That's a misnomer that Mussolini would protest if he were alive, and I'll protest it in his place. A 'Welfare State', such as it were was never meant to be a permanent fixture, but rather something to augment the State. Since Fascism believes in action(and I interpret this action in the 21st century to be predominately economic), it would be the hope that most people are self-sufficient, so that the Welfare State indeed is tinier and tinier.

    If we look at the wealthiest countries today they all have 5% unemployment or less. The more the State can be self-sufficient, the more the State can be stronger and that's the definition of Fascism.
     
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    People always hope that government will work well and in our interests. Throughout history governments have all eventually let us down. Governments with unchecked power eventually engage in the wholesale slaughter of millions of their own people. Mussolini never accumulated enough power to be as dangerous as a Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot. There are some indications that he never had that ambition, and he did surrender power and try to run away.


    "R. J.. Rummel, a professor emeritus of political science .... has painstakingly compiled statistics accounting for the number of people killed worldwide by "democide," a term he coined to describe governments' intentional killing ... of civilians....

    ...Rummels books on the subject - particularly "Death By Government" (1994) and "Statistics of Democide" (1997) - provide the most comprehensive estimates currently available, and the ones most often referenced by scholars.

    Rummel estimates that from 1900 to 1987 governments murdered almost 170 million people - a figure that far exceeds the 34.4 million battle deaths thought to have resulted from all the international and civil wars fought during the same period....

    Democide often occurs under authoritarian regimes... Indeed democratic governments were responsible for only about one percent of the twentieth century's death toll from democide...." THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY, "The World In Numbers," "Murder By The State," Vol. 292 NO. #4, 11/2003.
     
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    He's been doing parking lot rallies with 20 vehicles in attendance.
     
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    He's done a lot of town halls.
    Trump can't do that because he gets in a fight with the voters.
    So he just talks to his supporters.
     
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    Trump seems to be trying to get people that already like him...to like him more.

    I can't see how that is a winning strategy
     
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    Drive-by TROLLING drivel all you have left now? :eek:

    Sad!
     
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    Trump is more hated by the left, than Obama was loved by them
     
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    Dunno if I should laugh... or if I should laugh. I think I'll laugh! :roflol:
     
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    My friend,

    The only suspense is by how many electoral votes sleepy Joe will lose.
     
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