What will you do if Biden is elected?

I thought China is our master - China supports us with electronics, mechanical tools, gadget sold on the late nightly TV shows, food (last week I bought fresh garlic - after unpacking I found it was Made in China), sport equipment and even some of product President Trump is selling in America.
Thank you Master for supplying us with cheap products!

 

No I don’t. But I’m also not afraid of my own shadow.

 

The answer is not simple - but the fact is that workers with the minimum wage will spend most of the salary on purchases, so it will increase small business income. Historically increasing the minimum wage in most cases did no increase unemployment.
Here is some info: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/ec...mum-wage-would-help-not-hurt-economy-n1244586

 

Big difference between 2016 and 2020. Hillary never rose above 45% in the polls while Biden has been riding between 49-51% since May. Very steady with little ups and downs. In 2016 there were 15% of the electorate either undecided or stating they'd vote third party. today, that number is down under 8%, less than half.

One also has to remember that Trump won the independent vote back in 2016 by a 46-42 margin with 12% of independents voting third party, against both major party candidates as they didn't want neither one as their next president. I doubt many of that 12% has changed their minds about Trump, I'd say they still dislike him. I also think about half of those 12% have moved into the Biden column which bring him up from the 45% of Hillary to his present 50%. The other half probably are still undecided with 3% stating they'll vote third party leaving only 3% for Trump to influence to come over to his camp.

The dynamics are completely different also. Back in 2016, Trump was a fresh new face. A businessman, rash and bold for sure, overly for quite a few. But no one knew how he would govern. He was an unknown. Hillary on the other hand was entirely known, everyone knew exactly how she would govern. There wasn't any question mark on her. Or put this way by a friend of mine, We elected the devil we didn't know, Trump over the devil we knew, Hillary Clinton. But they were both devils. Trump is very well known this time around, no new fresh face, nothing unknown about him. The complete opposite of 2016.

Also Biden isn't as dislike as much as Hillary was. Trump has remained the same as far as the electorate disliking him. History has shown usually folks don't vote for someone they dislike. To put it simply, Biden's greatest strength is he isn't Trump and he isn't Hillary which will be enough for him to win in around 10 days.

 

Yeah, then Hildabeast Clinton woulda won. Glad we avoided that!

 

I believe you're correct. I think the big difference between 2016 and 2020 is independents. The less to non-partisan group, the non-affiliate, those who don't pay any attention to the daily grind of politics. Those too busy trying to make ends meet and with their daily lives. Trump won them in 2016 as they really, really disliked Clinton. He'll lose them this year as they dislike him more than Biden.

Strange how this election has turned into a personality contest, a beauty contest so to speak. Yes, the pandemic hurt, but most folks had their minds made up as far back as the midterms in my opinion. 4 years of Trump's antics and tactics has grated on these folks, independents. What was novel in 2016 has become tiresome in 2020.

 

We'll see in 10 days.

 

I think you're wrong, going by favorable/unfavorable ratings both Rubio and Kasich were seen as positive among the electorate. Both Clinton and Trump were seen in a very negative light. I wouldn't have been surprised if either one won by 10 points instead of losing the popular vote by 2.

History has shown one usually don't vote for someone they disliked. Hillary was disliked by 56% of the electorate, Trump by 60% so it came down to voting for the candidate you disliked the least. Voting for the lesser of two evils, the least worst candidate, the candidate you wanted to lose the least, not win, but lose the least.

We'll never know since neither Kasich nor Rubio won the nomination. The only thing we can go on is favorable/unfavorable ratings in a hypothetical match which really doesn't mean much. But provides some numbers to provide a SWAG.

 

Yes we will.

 

We have reached the tipping point with minimum wage and many businesses are choosing to robots instead of paying too high of wages.
Some businesses are not expanding due to high minimum wage. My town has a Thai restaurant that's strictly take out run by husband and wife. They are doing great and I asked if they plan on going to the next level and opening a sit down restaurant. They said no because they would have to raise the price of their food because wages are so high.

 

History also shows the candidate saying he will raise taxes never wins.
Polls have become obsolete and as Frank Luntz said if they are wrong again this year it's the end of the polling business.

Trumps fresh face now has a record of incredible economic achievement pre covid.

Four more years.

 

Fast food will be going the robot way anyway, whatever the minimum wage is. It is just a matter of time.

 

The election is about personality with Trump haters such as yourself. Many and I believe most of us are intelligent enough to vote policy not personality.

 

Someday maybe but as of now it's happening because minimum wage has become so high that expensive robots are more cost effective.

 

You make a good point about homeowners making sure the mortgage they bind themselves to is affordable but let's not forget there was a lot of predatory lending happening, terms of the loans were deceptive, people like minorities who spoke little english were coerced into signing paperwork that were intentionally translated incorrectly, homes were valued at amounts 3Xs their actual value resulting in homeowners living with upside down mortgages. It was a nightmare for millions of people. The number of victims alone tell you how organized and corrupt the lending process was and how people were targeted. Let's not pretend these lenders were up front and above board.

And while I agree some people who purchased did so knowing they were living beyond their means, many others did not. If there was anything good that came out of it, people became more aware of their rights and what they could afford.

 

They wouldn't of beaten Hillary...

The only one who could of beat her would be a corrupt lying liberal snake like her...Trump

 

I believe "staying alive" is a reference to the COVID crisis and that many within that age group are at higher risk.

 

He's with the party that wins, so you're right. You're not.

Realistically, no. Michigan and other states already say they won't have verified results for many days, and at any rate the Electoral Copllege vote isn't until January. It's realistic to expect another 2000-A.D.-style legal battle as with Al Gore, leading up to the new Supreme Court having final say who won.

John Roberts will be outvoted after Barrett reaches that court. Just sayin'.

 

That age group has an infinitely higher risk of dying from cancer, that age group has an infinitely higher risk of dying from a heart disease... This phony China virus hysteria and obsession have made these risks even higher, people are terrified to go to the hospital, medical professionals are under lockdown and unavailable, the quantity of necessary diagnostic procedures is drastically reduced....

 

On the health care for illegals.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/does-m...documented-immigrants-depends-on-who-you-ask/
"Look, I think that anyone who is in a situation where they're in need of health care, regardless of whether they're documented or undocumented, we have an obligation to see that they're cared for," Biden said.

On free College.
Biden has proposed free tuition at community colleges nationwide, and that tuition and fees would be free at all four-year public colleges and universities for students from families earning less than $125,000. Tuition would also be free at all
historically black colleges and universities.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/car... historically black colleges and universities.

Green New Deal.
Biden is against fracking which produces 90 percent of our energy. He wants gas/oil powered cars eliminated by 2035. He was to tear down energy inefficient homes which I take to mean we should all live in a 400 square ft. tiny home while Biden lives in large (multiple) mansions. So call it Green New Deal, Biden New Deal or whatever. Same sh** different name.

 

Those one-cook, four-seat walk-up restaurants from dystopian movies are becoming more common for those very reasons. Narrow slots in shopping-mall food courts (where COVID nannies allow). Or food trucks, which in Michigan are only starting to really gain ground.

One in Detroit's Mexicantown draws huge crowds. Parties break out. Screw COVID, let's eat and have fun. How absolutely un-American to have fun in the COVID era! But those are the humans. Robotics is weirdly steampunk archaic when it's food service.

Vending machines. Automats jammed with vending machines. How many generations did it take to get us accustomed to even that much? Despite 100 years of science fiction are we really ready for Robo-waiter?

Well..... Gets the order right before it rolls away from your table. Brings the food promptly instead of talking to other hugely-overpaid others. Customer benefits. No tips required. No lectures if you choose something not trendy, healthy-food-y, or lacks sufficient hipness.

There might be sump'in to this! Applied to politics, the imagination staggers.

Reexamine the paradigm. Let's try this in the House of Reps and see how much better service gets delivered --- and how fast. If it works out over say six years (three Congresses), send all the air-waster humans home and keep the circuitry. I'm from Michigan and even a $6.99 LED flashlight can shine brighter than Debbie Stabenow or the worthless waste of air Gary Peters.

 

I think you're wrong. Both were on the plus side on overall voter favorability, Both Trump and Clinton were on the negative side. In other words voters saw both Rubio and Kasich in a much more favorable light, where they saw both Trump and Clinton in a negative light.

 

good luck with that, Trump will be a one term looser of a president

trying to say I am not like Trump, that is a compliment, thank you

 

That's assuming MI and PA and other states that want to pull a Franken are needed. Realistically, once the conservative Central Time FL panhandle voters went home after being told FL was called without their votes, it was game over with or without the Supreme Court. Too late for Democrat lawyers to change votes.

20 years later and still whining ,,, while claiming Trump will not accept the results of the 2020 election. Even after the evidence is in that Hillary and not Trump colluded with Russia, the temper tantrums over 2016 continue.

 

If you want to be taken seriously you might consider having a user name that isn't associated with ridiculous comedy.

As far as my post - I was clarifying a point made by a different poster.

By all means, you keep doing what works for you and others will do what works for them.