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Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by Kokomojojo, Oct 27, 2020.

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  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And there is no causation.

    That's IMO a fine example of how to "lie with statistics". The short time period without inclusion of the trends well before the order and the lack of current data are dead giveaways.
     
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    SHHHH! ;-)
     
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  3. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    Correlation is also not causation... you keep barking up the wrong tree.

    Speaking of which, short studies like that are terrific for nailing down what you want to study next. Which is to say you need numbers, not whining.
     
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    (original)late Banned

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    Meehan is a anti-vaxxer kook.
     
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    Since you wearing a mask protects me, why would you not want to do so?
    I’m more than willing to give you that courtesy
     
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    It has been exactly that for hundreds of thousands
     
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    Perhaps, maybe, I'd just rather you stay home. I still wear a mask though. Because it is required by the state, not courtesy.
     
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    Thank God for mask mandates then.. since people like you care so little for others
     
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    Causation is the right tree to bark up. Correlation (and becasue the data well before the order is not shown that data does not actually show correlation if you think it through - the flat section which coincides is just an artifact of the selection of a seven day rolling average - BTW, why did they select a seven day rolling average??) does not prove that masks are effective?

    That's exactly what I'm asking for - numbers.
     
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    No, that's what you need.

    Might one conclude you don't actually have anything substantive?
     
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    There is not data from before and after the dates in the Kansas mask chart ?? The chart as it stands has nothing substantive. It is meaningless without the inclusion of the order start date and data well before the order start date as well as the ~ 2 months from the chart end date.
     
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    Note: a blog post from an eye doctor isn't the best source for your epidemiological information . . . especially one who makes money from selling "alternatives" to the methods he's criticizing.

    God, what a hot mess of complete nonsense. It's a silly, deceitful shell game:

    1) Claim that meta-analysis is superior to all other forms of research . . . itself a highly controversial claim.
    2) Appeal to meta-analysis of INFLUENZA and pretend it is about COVID/pretend all respiratory viruses spread in exactly the same way.
    3) Add in a bunch of other non-peer reviewed articles.
    4) Claim victory.

    Here's an actual meta-analysis that has been peer reviewed and actually takes the the time to consider the fact that not all respiratory viruses are the same (the key assumption of the pill-selling eye doctor's blog): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7253999/
     
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    @AFM
    Read all three sentences, at least, not just the last one. General efficacy = yes. The "more evidence" refers to further exploration OF PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES. In general, they work.
     
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    Sounds like Fauci's resume. He was trained and did his residency in internal medicine.
     
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    If you think it sounds like Fauci's resume, you aren't familiar with either person's resume. Fauci is one of the world's leading experts in epidemiology, regardless of where he did his residency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci#Career

    Meehan is not an epidemiology expert of any kind. In fact, at least one court has kicked him out as an "expert witness" due to his lack of credentials in this area. Meehan is an eye doctor selling vitamins as COVID prevention and writing up conflict-of-interest blog posts like the one I pointed out faults with that you didn't address.
     
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    You were just shown how high level scientific/medical evidence refutes your claim, and what constitutes low level, insufficient evidence, then you turn around and plop down another turd of low level evidence.

    Can you say "science"?
     
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    Again, numbers, not whining.
     
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    I am getting very tired of crap from kooks.
     
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    Uhhhh no...not even at all

    It's not complicated.

    Various counties have mandates...others do not.

    Compare those that do to the ones that don't and you have a graph. That graph shows a much higher infection rate in counties without the mandate

    And then there's the White House.

    That was self evident
     
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  22. AFM

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    Not according to the CDC. They do not protect anyone from infection and they do not prevent the spread from normal breathing of an infected person.
     
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    Then quote the CDC saying so
     
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    I guess you can tell all those doctors and medical experts that they have been wrong to wear masks for decades now.
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    Fauci has been dead wrong multiple times. He trusted the Chinese Communist Party and the WHO. Why would anyone not question what he comes up with?

    And it has been shown that Vitamin D and Zinc do have a positive effect on reducing the symptoms of Covid-19. It is the symptoms (namely inflammation of the lungs and resultant fluid production) that kills people.
     
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