Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

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  1. AFM

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    Social distancing with the recommendation that the time spent indoors in close proximity to others be minimized. And if you are in a high risk group take extra precautions.
     
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    Holy cr&p, is this you demanding the looting and rioting end in Philly???
     
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    And yet you DO understand that the overwhelming majority of people do in the course of their day cough and sneeze and shout and sing. And if they do that while infected and asymptomatic ... without a mask on... they make other people sick... some of whom may die.


    But that bothers you not at all.

    It’s like being pulled over for speeding and trying to tell the cop “But I don’t ALWAYS speed”

    Pathetic
     
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    I have presented many studies on other forums as well.

    Ironically none of this corruption would be known if Biden had not run for office. The Democrat Party is just using him as a place holder. If he wins they will use the corruption investigation as an excuse to quickly remove him from office with Kamala moving up as the champion of command-control governance aka socialism.

    It's elder abuse. There are many reasons to hope Biden loses but the public degradation he will go through if he wins will be sad.
     
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    If you are in a high risk group and the infection is raging... there literally is no place to hide.

    But I’m sure people in those groups (like half the friggin country) appreciate the forced jail you want to commit them to.
     
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    Most people are not shouting and singing and coughing and sneezing everyday. And those that shout and sing are not standing right next to people. If you cough or sneeze most people cover their mouth with their elbow or hand.
     
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    Science and stats are primarily additive.

    There isn't enough there to reject that out of hand. But there is plenty to warrant looking at it more closely.

    There has been a fair amount of work on the efficacy of things like masks.

    That's a done deal. But if he can find something of substance, that would be interesting.
     
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    Of course there is. Limit your exposure to other humans.
     
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    The chart on the Kansas mask wearing is an insult to statistical reasoning.
     
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    Yea. Forced indefinite isolation is very popular.

    I’m sure retirees are lining up to vote for THAT
     
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    Thanks for your worthless opinion
     
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    And isn't that exactly what you presidential candidate is running on? Shut down the economy, more not less freedoms. You cheerlead for the guy every day.
     
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    And the really screwed up thing is that it won’t WORK.

    You simply cannot totally isolate yourself from an infected society.

    You still need medical care, food, services, etc.

    It’s not possible
     
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    Nope. Mask mandates are not forced indefinite isolation

    Neither are temporary shutdowns
     
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    Admit it. You didn’t know that you could catch COVID-19 through the eyes until I schooled you on it.
     
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    Jesus. By now, I don't even have the energy to counter this mountain of BS. While the idea behind EBM is entirely correct, this ophthalmologist is simply wrong because yes, there are studies of a higher level of strength of evidence supporting mask use, including meta-analyses. I published one, and it does include some RCTs.

    But anyway, you know what, original poster? You don't want to wear masks? Don't. Sign a living will saying you don't want any medical care if you get seriously ill with Covid-19. Then, fine. Oh, maybe you can also sign a pledge that if you infect anyone, you'll pay for the person's medical care.

    But hey, you might want to rethink. I hear that masks will stop George Soros and Bill Gates from spying on you through hidden micro-cameras in the 5G network towers. So maybe you should wear them anyway. [Wink, wink]

    This said, I'm moving you immediately to Ignore. I have no time to waste with the kind of poster who posts this kind of BS. It's too irritating and frustrating. So, sorry, other readers. This time I won't counter the BS, but if you want to see me doing it, browse my posting history; I've posted extensively about it, including, a meta-analysis with 29 studies.
     
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    I've been having some fun at your expense.

    Masks work.
     
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    Here is another article debunking the effectiveness of masks.



    https://principia-scientific.com/worlds-top-epidemiologists-masks-dont-work/
     
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    The only benefit is to stop the large droplets from coughs or sneezes. But most people cover their mouths when they cough. Coughing or sneezing contaminates masks making them spreaders as normal breathing forms aerosols from the droplets on the inside of the mask.
     
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    That was a weird response to what you quoted
     
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    Anti-masking might turn out to be the biggest political-type tactical error in the history of politics. Its based on an ignorant browsing of pseudo-science (at best), its dangerous, it pisses people off, and it creates a very real 'vote for me if you want to live' situation. If Democrats take the Presidency and/or the Senate it will most likely be due to scores of independents choosing to roll the dice with the Marxist radical left in lieu of the 'live die with it' GOP.
     
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    Who is anti masking? The point being made is that masks do not protect people nor stop the spread so don't rely on them to be safe. That is the science.
     
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    If you could be any more void of the knowledge of sound scientific investigative principles, it would be a feat
     
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    ...Or with a mask.

    Please provide a single prospective, controlled study, with incidence of disease the primary endpoint that establishes the efficacy of masks.

    Thank you in advance.
     
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