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OK... sort of like The Russian Collusion Illusion?

 

Yes, there's a reason the ballots are to be separated, but there's nothing mysterious about it. It's simply a practical measure because, as Alito stated, the Trump team said it would be asking SCOTUS to revisit the case for a ruling on those specific ballots.

Additionally, the Secretary of the Commonwealth had already issued an order to County election boards that they be kept separate, which Alito reaffirmed in a later order.

 

Again, what good did that do for the Dems? Do you see a pattern here? LOL

 

sounds like even the Trump kids and his wife are telling Trump it's over

 

Filled a lot of empty skulls with BS who then voted accordingly, duh! I willing concede Republicans are Amateur Hour compared to the Democrats ability to fabricate propaganda BS.

 

I saw that alarming interview. But like Bartilomo asked, why is'nt such a matter in the hands of AG Barr and the Justice Department. Trumps lawyers response of, "I don't know", suggests to me that the allegations are being exaggerated. Were they so alarming, the Justice Department would already be involved, and Trumps lawyer would be in talks with them. She wouldn't just say, "I don't know". I guess we'll have to wait and see where this goes.

 

Ouch! It's considered bad form to insert reality into these discussions.

 

Reality has not set in with dems. The lawsuits start to drop tomorrow.

 

The loyalty to and following of Trump is a fascinating thing. All Trump ever had to do is casually throw out an idea or phrase and, by the next day, it became part of the lexicon. With the voter fraud stuff, Trump doesn't have to defend his accusations - he has his base to do that for him.

 

The supreme court decides cases. It doesn't and can't tell the states how they should operate elections. Elections are completely in the domain of the states. The one case it might hear is that the decision to allow late ballots in PA was made by a court and it is in the domain of the state legislature, not the court. The court had no power to do that. Nevertheless, it won't overturn the election even they overturn that court's decision. I approve of straightening out any election fraud but I recommend you understand that Biden will be president. It is what it is. Let's keep our fingers crossed that republicans win the Georgia senatorial run off elections in January.

 

Actually I don't care who the president is. I only care that we have congressional gridlock. My belief is that, if both sides can't agree on what is best for the country, it should never become law.

The 2000 election was also pretty abnormal. There was a difference of a few hundred votes in Florida. Al Gore went to court and got a complete recount of the state's ballots. To make a long story short, Gore never made up the votes and the supreme court finally awarded the presidency to GW Bush.

This year there are several states involved and differences in vote counts are in the thousands. There would have to have been enough voter fraud in all those states individually in order to give Trump another term. Voter fraud isn't systemic. it is individual and it has never been meaningful. If there was enough of it in this election cycle to overturn, then the entire electoral system would be toast. I think it is fine to investigate fraud and stamp it out wherever found but I think the result of the election is what it is.

Let's turn our attention to the Georgia senatorial run off elections in January. That is what really matters. We need to protect ourselves from partisan legislation.

If it makes you feel better I think Trump will go down in history as one of the most effective presidents of the 21st century.

 

And Biden will have media to do that for him.

 

Things change. A Red House would mean Impeach that mf. LOL

If the fraud is as widespread as it is said to have been how would you go about straightening it out?

 

The people stamping their feet and screeching about supposed massive voter fraud aren't living in the world of "proof" or evidence. The are already in a fantasy land. No amount of "proof" will ever change their minds.

 

Saying there is fraud doesn't make it true and saying there wasn't does the same. I think most of us are waiting to see the result of the efforts on the part of the President before we kiss Joe's ring.

 

The people claiming that something happened, in a rational world, have the burden of proof. All we've seen so far has been desperate, often easily debunked conspiracy nuttery. No, I'm not going to apologize for exercising some rational skepticism. The people claiming fraud won't be satisfied by investigations.

 

There is an effort underway to provide proof and we are all waiting for it. I haven't seen a lot of actual debunking with proof, just vehement denial. We'll just have to wait it out.

 

Evidence should come before belief. When people ardently promote a claim without evidence and then say they need time to go look for the evidence of their claims, they are either being intellectually dishonest or they are deliberately misleading folks.

I've see tons of debunking already. Trump supporters claimed they had film of a volunteer throwing away a Trump ballot. That was a lie. They claimed they had video of someone burning Trump ballots. That was a lie. They claimed that there was some kind of plot to tell Trump supporters to use Sharpies that would somehow invalidate their votes. That was a lie. They claimed there were more votes than registered voters in some states. That was a lie.

Are you familiar with the concept of a gish gallop? It basically means that some dishonest people will resort to a very high volume of easily debunked and/or completely unsupported claims in hopes that they can declare victory by the sheer volume of claims, even though there is no reason given to believe any of the individual claims. That's what we have to "look forward to" over the next few years.

 

Now that's ironic.

 

Yes, I'm sure you are already trying to jump to one kind of whataboutism or another in order to claim so while never actually being able to address what was said.

 

My response is subsequent investigations are a moot point. Even if the courts throw all of Trump's cases out, which with few exceptions, seems to be the pattern, the right wing media will claim the investigations were from deep state RINOS blah blah blah.

Then Republicans will want new investigations and Trump sortwrs will scream about activists courts etc etc.

The bottom line is just like every other Republican investigation in recent memory; benghazi, Mueller, emails, nunes memo, durham1 and eventually durham2 and others, Trump supporters simply will not accept the results when sites like newsmax, breitbart and the like are taking in click bait revenue by posting lies, deflections and false equivelencies.

 

We just had an election and somebody won. Biden has the popular opinion but Trump says to hold on a bit. Now he will either produce some support for his claims or he won't and either way the process will move forward. Not being part of either inner circle I'm just waiting to see proof or not. You are too but you're more impatient than I am.

 

If Trump wants to delay the process, it is up to him to produce evidence first. He has failed to do so. So have his followers. If he wants to challenge any results, he needs to provide an actual reason for doing so. Trump has proven that his claims aren't even based on evidence in the first place, only his feelings.

The. Facts. Don't. Care. About. Your. Feelings. Or his.

 

He isn't trying to prove his charges in the media or on the internet. It's a court procedure and those take time. You hang in there now.