Biden will ‘make Abbas great again,’ says Israeli pundit

They are fought over more than "honor" but fine - if you do not like the term Blood Feud - what is a better term to describe the conflict ?

 

How could the LoN mandate, which envisioned the right of Jews to settle anywhere in British Mandate Palestine, still be valid in the UN 1947 partition plan, which envisioned a two state solution, with east and west Jerusalem the capital of each state, or managed by an international authority (UN res 181) ?

Because it was illegal?

To clarify, can you name the date of "the annexation of Judea and Samaria by Jordan". Thanks.

eg I notice Ronald Hillman has asked you some very relevant questions re international law, in #250.

 

There is something seriously off with Brennan. He's disturbed. Obama/Biden utterly destabilized and trashed the middle east to the point of millions of refugees seeking safety in other nations from all the killing and war. And the left wing media is playing right along with it. I loathe them.

 

You mean one nation dominates the other, there were never 2 states.

 

Over the first half of 20th century the Arabs were granted 95% of the lands they’ asked for.

The conflict is over the 1.5% given to the Jews.

 

Do you know how many of those powers in the UN have border issues and "interprets international law however they considers right" ? enough to support Dutch claim...

 

I don't know how the BDS continue with the "whole world is against you" BS...., your boycott which was annoying at its peak - is over, if UK boycotts Israel now- we'll simply trade more with the ARABS.

 

They fought and they gained dozens of countries, in what was known as Palestine two nations fought along side the Brits and both were promised independence as they saw it, Jewish home was planned to be a mere dot in the sand, so happens Europe prosecuted the Jews away and the dot became bigger, life is like a box of chocolate....

What does it matter ? there is no single smoking gun for Israel, there were many turns and hills on that road.

I think so because the raids started over their numbers and not their plans which back then no one even knew if the Brits will ever leave.....my grandpa came here thinking it will be a British mandate over a Jewish home.

OFC it is, the original 181 discussed pop transfers so 2 countries will be formed.

 

Correct - on both counts.

 

Who is suggesting we take land away from the Israel ? The conflict is not over that. The conflict is over land the Jews were not granted- not given. That which IDF keeps stealing - and has been doing for 70 years - especially when the zionists are in power - each incident throwing more gas on the ever burning bon fire.

 

The Arabs were not "granted" anything. They were either already in possession of Mid East lands on which they had lived for centuries or they earned Palestine by shedding their own blood to help expel the Ottoman Turks(1)

While the Arabs were fighting with the British to expel the Ottoman Turks, Zionist lobbyists & bankers were safely in London scheming to abrogate the McMahon Agreement in favor of the Balfour Declaration.

The conflict exists because greedy Zionist land thieves & ethnic cleansers remain in violation of UN Resolutions #242 & #338 while the Palestinians are left alone to resist the most oldest and most brutal foreign funded Occupation in modern history.




(1) "The McMahon Agreement"
http://www.historylearningsite.co.u...ddle-east-1917-to-1973/the-mcmahon-agreement/

EXCERPT "The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East history and seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917."CONTINUED

 

Oh sweetheart I am flattered that you believe I am responsible for BDS but must assure you this is wrong and my post was not talking about that. However it also is not to do with the UK. Are you sure you know anything about it? You do not need to answer that. Lets get back to what I was talking about which was Israel creating alternate versions of law so that she can ignore International Law believing she can get away with it particuarly when the US had a far right President who was beholding to his Christian Zionists base and the odd extremist Jew. It is getting near to everything Israel says being a scam.

Now Israel has been interfering with the Politics of the UK. It has been interfering with our Democracy. Israel and her clones have created a fake news which allowed the very kind of person to become PM that Israel loves, a - in truth in this case it is only a potentional far right, more someone who would do anything for power, but Israel will have sniffed the 'far right' and thought 'goodie'. The intent has been to destroy the left in the UK just like Israel hates her genuine left and their values. In the UK one of the strongest ways this has been worked on has been through the 'Campaign on Antisemitism', funded it is believed by Israel, which was set up after the 2014 attack on Gaza because the people of the UK from all walks of life were disgusted at Israel's treatment of the civilians of Gaza, to use 'antisemitism' to destroy opposition to Israel in the UK and to make the people of the UK robots.

and we find that this campaign claiming as it does that all Jews support Israel - that is blaming all of Britain's Jews for what Israel does, is itself the depth of antisemitism.....and all for a far right 1930's style colonialism.

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On the same token, Jews were not granted anything either, they dominated and thus were recognized for independence and thus won the ****ing war.....

 

Not responsible but you are a member, and got alot to do with UK.....nearly all I would add but France is very close behind.

If Corbin is what your Left produces than it died back in the 90's like most did, I say that with no joy because I was a Leftie myself, nowdays only the extremists go Left. it's funny you think all ills come from Israel, ppl need their hate....

One thing to critic Bibi's Gov, another to critic the entire Right wing agenda, another to deny a state for Jews, another to deny Jews from even being a nation and there's much more, when a subject follows the whole list we simply call him a hater and wont bother with him. you can bet your Jewish example doesn't.

We are trading with the Arab world now.....
End of story.

 

And Jews lived there for 3,000 years. Spare me.

 

No, I am not a member. I did not even know there was such a thing. I do support it though. Mind you I was not buying things like Jaffa oranges from the 80's. It worked for South Africa and many of them. Desmund Tutu I think being one, have pointed out that Apartheid is worse for the Palestinians than it was for blacks in SA.

Really? In the UK our Government has not been allowed by the courts to ban it. I understand the same is happening all over the place in the US - courts not allowing actions which do not fit with a democratic society. However, France, then here the people have a problem. France's courts decided that BDS was illegal resulting in people being arrested. This was brought to the European Court who like the English ones and those in the US ruled that the people of democratic societies have the freedom to choose their political viepoint so were free to support BDS....but Macron has decided to ignore the European Court. We shall see how that ends but I would be interested to see why he is acting like that as I would like to know why Theresa May tried to and has continued to try and push for Israel's viewpoint in the UK. So far our courts have stood up against this. The Government are now threatening to stop money to Universities unless they agree to stop free speech on Israel. That has not yet been resolved. I didn't know they still got money from the State. However that illustrates another small part of the influence Israel has on the UK but in no way the destruction on our sovereignty and democracy which she has ascertained.

No you have that all wrong and you are most certainly not left wing. Does Israel not usually call left wingers 'traitors'? Did not Israeli Jews who protested the 2014 massacre in Gaza get beaten up and lose their jobs. You show no sign of having left wing values. You may occasionally say you are not too keen on Netanyahu and I think I have even seen you suggest you believe in a two state solution - though not one which would be a viable congrous state so you pay lip service to being left win but you are probably a bit more to the right than the US would call centre right and that of course is partly where you live and the propagada you suck up.

Just as I said above. You pay lip service to being left wing. You may be fooling yourself. You may believe you are left wing living in one of the most far right countries in the world but you are not left wing.

Who has denied a state for Jews. Israel was getting away with everything until she decided to expand her state - which had always been intended. You are a Colonial country and a Jewish supremacy country. You are taking over the land of another people having kept them prisoner for over 50 years, mass murdering them in a process you call 'mowing the lawn' and basically acting with supreme inhumanity towards them. No one left wing approves of this kind of behaviour.

What makes you think all Jews want to be a 'nation'. Are you not aware that there are plenty of Jews who are anti Zionists, that most Jews were antizionist until somewhere between the end of world war 2 and the 67 war. This and your other about wanting to stop a state for Jews are just propaganda Rhetoric. I will tell you though I do not support theocratic states or racist states. You believe that people should support your inhumanity so that you can have a Jewish only State. Not going to happen with anyone who believes in human rights and International Law.

Unfortunately you live in a country where the population have been taught to believe that criticism of Israel means people want to have another holocaust on you killing at least 6 million. This is absolute tosh, People complain about you because you are a far right state and as a far right state you have as little care for human rights and treating people decently as any other far right state. You Government makes friends with all the far right States it can get its hands on. Netanyhu visited a state shortly after it put up a memorial to the man who organised bringing their Jews to the death camps. I just look forward to the day that most Jews wake up to what Israel is and understand why those who came before did not support it.

Oooh clever boy. You are still answering your own post which had no reference to my post just as this post has no reference to the post I replied to you first post. I get it Gilos. You are scared of BDS. Good

 

The Sharif of Mecca was promised the throne of an independent Arab state, that's why he led the Arab revolt. But he wasn't promised the throne of an independent Arab state in the whole of the Levant.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/5BFF833964EDB9BF85256CED00673D1F

Not all Arab leaders, or Arabs in general, rejected the existence of a Jewish national home in Palestine. However, the British, struggling to preserve their rule and their influence in parts of the Middle East, allied themselves with the worse of the ultra-nationalists, led by the infamous Mufti of Jerusalem.

By the way, the British violated international law when they gifted Transjordan to the Hashemites, so if there's an illegal and illegitimate state in the region, that's Jordan.

 

The world turned against Israel following the oil boycotts of the 70s. What they consider right for the region is greatly influenced by their need for oil, and other short-term interests. Please don't tell me that you think politicians worldwide - except for Israel - are paragons of virtue and morality.

 

There's more than one aspect to the conflict, but the bottom line is opposition to any non-Arab non-Muslim state in the region. Palestinian Arabs were content to be ruled by Jordanians and Egyptians, never asked them for an independent state while Jordan and Egypt ruled Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

 

not the bottom line at all for the Palestinians. Although that would definitely Characterize Bibi's Zionist perspective.

Nice projection of Israel's failings onto the Palestinians - full marks for that attempt at fallacy.

 

Err...

https://www.britannica.com/biography/David-Lloyd-George

Would the conflict in Palestine of happened if the British had not supported Arab nationalism?

Why is Arab nationalism good but Jewish nationalism bad?

Several wars had been fought over Palestine long before Jews supported modern Zionism.

Why did Jordan and Egypt keep Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, instead of offering Palestinian Arabs independence in these territories? Do you seriously believe there would have been an independent Arab state in Palestine in the absence of Jewish nationalism?

Pan-Arab nationalism, which is at the root at the conflict, is in fact Arab imperialism, the idea that all Arabs should have one big state in the whole of the Levant and North Africa, ruling over all other groups in the region. Lebensraum.

There's no such thing as Arab nationalism, not according to the European meaning of the word, because Arabs didn't form nations. They're still organized in tribes and extended families. Some Arab countries are closer to nationhood than others though. That's why Iraq, Syria and Libya fell apart so quickly during upheavals, while Egypt and Tunisia did not.

There's nothing wrong with nationalism in general, the non-extremist brand.

It amazes me that the proponents of the "don't Arabs deserve a state" argument forget that Arabs received 4 brand new independent states after WWII, in most of the Levant. Isn't this fulfillment enough of the aspiration of a people to govern themselves?

 

Why didn't Palestinian Arabs demand an independent state from Jordan and Egypt from 1948 until 1967? Why was the PLO founded in 1964? Why did Egypt and Jordan organize terror attacks in Israel in the 50s?

 

Why do birds sing ? but more to the point - why do you keep projecting the failings of Israel onto the Palestinians and dodging the issue.

If you do not think this is a blood feud - then how would you characterize the conflict. Your first attempt was a complete fail - care to try again ?

 

Care to answer my post?

 

No - as it is a diversion down a rabbit hole. Unless you can relate this somehow to how this conflict is categorized.

Running around crying "Palestinians are Evil" - as was your attempt in the last post - does not cut it.