Nope, America would simply nuke and vaporize them out of existence like they did to Nagasaki and Dresden.
I dont recall any agreements made by palestinians offering up their land to forced israeli expansion. If you think such a thing exists cough it up for me? Im sure you dont mind if someone swipes your land do you? defense Defence for Children International reported that 352 children had died as a direct result of Israeli military action. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights found that 318 Palestinian children been killed. Al Mezan Center for Human Rights found that 355 Gazan children were killed by Israeli forces. Some 1,048 Palestinian children have been injured by Israeli security forces across the Occupied Palestinian Territory between 1 November 2019 and 31 October 2020, added the experts, citing information received. “Children enjoy special protected rights under international law … each of these killings raises deep concerns about Israel’s adherence to its solemn human rights and humanitarian law obligations as the occupying power,” they said. Investigations ‘rarely result’ in accountability The Israeli Security Forces announced that they would conduct an investigation into Abu Aliya’s killing. The human rights experts noted, however, that investigations by the Israeli Defense Forces of fatal shootings of Palestinians by its soldiers rarely result in appropriate accountability. Civil society organizations have documented the deaths of 155 Palestinian children by Israeli Security Forces using live ammunition or crowd-control weapons since 2013, the experts added. Only three indictments on criminal charges have been issued for offences directly tied to those killings. In one case, the charges were dropped; the responsible soldier reached a plea deal and was sentenced to nine months jail for death by negligence; and in the third, a soldier was convicted of not obeying orders and sentenced to one month in military prison. Ensure children ‘no longer face death’ “This low level of legal accountability for the killings of so many children by Israeli security forces is unworthy of a country which proclaims that it lives by the rule of law,” the experts said. https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/12/1080402
Threw it away? So you expect any **** for an offer to be accepted or the deal is off the table, is that it?
An Irish Catholic [with an Italian American wife, btw, Jill Biden will be the first Italian American First Lady] is probably a Christian Zionist. This detail aside [I'm Zionist as well, as Protestant], to be Zionist means to recognize the right of the Jewish People to have a Jewish homeland. It doesn't sound a so incredible idea and it doesn't mean to prohibit to Palestinians to have their own state ... simply it means that they have to create their own state somewhere else. About Jerusalem I'm curious to see if Biden will move US embassy back to Tell Aviv. I doubt this: usually the United States don't step back. At the end the administration who is leaving the White House within some weeks has solved a question which risked to be a "hot potato" in the hands of all the following Presidents.
The Palestinians walked away from Oslo and resumed violence. The Israelis moved on and charted their own course. The conditions that gave rise to Oslo no longer exist, so yes, it's off the table. The Palestinians missed their opportunity.
My disagreements with pro-Palestinian people are fundamental. The Palestinians have never, not ONCE acknowledged the right of Israel to be a Jewish Nation-State. They have never done anything beyond simple hudnahs. They are not interested in sharing the land. They only speak of making it free of Jews. My suspicion is that most in these fora who are supporters of the Palestinians would cheerfully see the Jews dispersed or made to be 2nd class citizens at the whims of Palestinian Arab Muslims. This situation will eventually lead to the most horrific loss of life in human history. Those who would see Israel's people burn again, will deserve what comes their way.
Palestinian expectations were in the main twofold. The first expectation was that the Oslo process would bring to a halt the construction and expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Israeli withdrawals were to proceed according to a fixed schedule leading to Palestinian Authority control over more than 90 percent of the Gaza Strip and West Bank, setting the stage for final Israeli withdrawal all the way to the 1967 borders. The second expectation centered around increased economic development in Palestinian society, lifting Palestinians out of crushing poverty and narrowing the gap in living standards between them and the Israelis that many Palestinians thought humiliating and enraging The Palestinian View Palestinian spokesmen repeatedly explained that the collapse of the Oslo peace process was due first and foremost to the expansion of Israeli settlements and the disappointing extent of the territorial control of the Palestinian Authority. Polls of Palestinian public opinion indicate that the broad populace shared this view. Palestinians believed that the Oslo agreements included a firm Israeli commitment to halt the expansion of settlements and even begin dismantling them. While there was no such explicit commitment in the signed agreements, Palestinians maintain that this must have been understood by the Israelis as entirely self-evident, and that such conditions would be a minimally necessary precondition for Palestinian assent to any agreement. An Israeli “third redeployment” that was expected by 1996 was not been carried out. The West Bank was divided in a complicated arrangement into three zones, labeled Areas A, B, and C, with complete Palestinian Authority control in Area A, complete Israeli control over area C, and “joint responsibilities” in area B, which was intended to provide civilian Palestinian rule alongside Israeli security control. The Palestinian Authority was thus confined to about 50 per cent of the West Bank, far less than the 95 per cent or more that the Palestinians had originally expected. A “free passage” route connecting the West Bank and Gaza Strip running through Israeli territory was never realized, but Israeli military roadblocks were established on the roads between Palestinian cities. While Israelis cited “security concerns,” these moves were interpreted by much of the Palestinian public as an Israeli attempt to create separate Palestinian cantons without territorial contiguity, in order to strangle any possibility of a viable future Palestinian state. For the Palestinians this was seen as an ultimate Israeli betrayal indicating that Israel never intended to come to a peace agreement. No Safeguards for Violations The success of the Oslo process was predicated on a beneficial spiral of confidence-building measures that would bring Israelis and Palestinians ever closer to trusting in the possibility of peaceful co-existence. In actual fact, Oslo led to a series of claims and counter-claims of breaches of the accords that formed a negative spiral of mistrust and feelings of enmity. In light of these facts, it might be said in hindsight that Oslo ultimately failed because while its fashioners set in motion a process that could potentially lead to trust and confidence, they did not establish mechanisms for monitoring violations or ensuring that claims of violations could be arbitrated and corrections could be guaranteed. Without such safeguards, the dynamic of the Oslo process fell prey to longstanding sentiments of mistrust and anger between Palestinians and Israelis. https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/ I read you as saying the palestinians had the opportunity to fck themselves and refused to do it, and you think that is their loss? Seriously?
I don't think Joe will hold the office for more than a year. What Harris may do is completely unknowable because she'll also just be a figurehead. Considering her past, it won't surprise me to see some of the "Squad" in high ranking posts. I'll be amazed if Biden does anything for Israel that makes them more secure. He's already talking of dropping sanctions on Iran if they come back to that "agreement" that they never signed or allowed meaningful inspections over. More like his former boss, he'll do everything he can to empower the Left in Israel. They, much like the Jews in America, aren't really Jews in the cultural/religious sense. Their religion is political power. Ultimately, the future is set for Israel as for the rest of us and it is going to be horrific because of choices we've made or allowed to be made FOR US.
Had the Palestinians gone forward with Oslo --defects notwithstanding-- they would be much better positioned than they are now. They are now at a dead end, with no path forward, and that is entirely their own fault.
I agree. I consider myself to be a Christian Zionist in that I believe the descendants of Jacob have a perfect unending right to live in the land today called Palestine. Those who watch the video may notice that the promised territory is much larger than what the Israelis possess now. The disconnect most pro-Palestinian advocates seem to have is that they believe Israel is a usurper and that they've stolen land that belonged to the Arabs in Palestine. The truth is that the Ottoman Empire "owned" the land and the Palestinian people were squatters, many for generations. Most never purchased the land and when Jews began buying land the conflict heated up. The real sticking point is religion. The Muslims believe that any land they've EVER lived in still belongs to them regardless of changing situations in history. For me, I will always support the right of the descendants of Jacob to possess that land. That's a clear statement. I am NOT saying that Jews in Israel have some inherent right to mistreat or abuse Palestinians without suffering consequences. One can be a Christian Zionist and disagree with the secular government of Israel. The reason many Christians support Israel can be found in Genesis 12:3 And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." That is God speaking. Those who believe in God also try to honor His word. Regardless of the hatred against Jews down through the centuries, one thing has always held true. Any nation that attempts to harm Jews eventually suffers greater harm to themselves.
Hmmm... Dresden. And what of Coventry? Rotterdam? The Germans used firebombing against civilian populations FIRST. That's just how war works. Launch aggression and whatever the result, you aren't innocent. The U.S. killed FAR more Japanese with incendiary attacks than ever died from the nukes. You seem to have a bad case of hate for da JOOOOS. Good luck with that.
Rather than accept the UN plan, in 1948 the Palestinians launched a war against the Jews. The Palestinians lost. Please see O Jerusalem! by Larry Collins and Dominique La Pierre.
I'm curious. Is there any behavior by Palestinians that you would condemn? I'm a Christian Zionist and I definitely have a problem with some of the actions of Israel's secular governments. While I believe Israelis have an enduring right to live in that land, that doesn't mean they have a right to brutalize weaker people for no reason. The difference is that the Jews have several times tried to make peace and find accommodation with the Arab Muslims in Palestine. The answer has ALWAYS been NO, NO, NO. The only solution from the Muslim perspective is for all of Palestine to be Judenfrei. THAT is never going to happen. As for Antifa/BLM, they can call themselves anything they wish to but they're going to bump up against some hard obstacles if they ever try to intimidate or attack anyone outside one of their Blue cesspools.
Because they are Muslims FIRST. They were totally unwilling to live with Jews that weren't subservient. They really believed in Dhimmitude. https://mikereport.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/palestinelie1.jpg
Yes. But there was still their nation's land in 1949 until 1967. Why no Palestine nation? See map above.
He wont, he will do things for israel that will make the US more insecure. thats the reality of ancient land law if you accept oxymorons as a valid position. to the contrary any country that protects them is politcally undermined and winds up with their asses handed to them as their reward. britain never did recover. and of course you believe the whole world is wrong and you are correct? This list is incomplete; you can help by adding missing items with reliable sources. Expulsions of Jews in Europe from 1100 to 1600 Jewish expulsions and events that prompted significant streams of Jewish refugees: 733 BCE Samaria (Israel/Judah). King Tiglath-Pileser III deports Jews.[1] 722 BCE King Sargon II captures and deports Jews.[1] 597 BCE In 537 BCE the Persians, who conquered Babylon two years earlier, allow Jews to return and rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple.[2] 475 BCE Persia. Haman plots to expel and kill all Jews.[3] 139 BCE Expulsion from the city of Rome under the accusation of aggressive proselytizing among the Romans.[4] 19 CE Expulsion from the city of Rome by Emperor Tiberius together with practitioners of the Egyptian religion.[5][6] 41-53 CE Claudius' expulsion of Jews from Rome. 73 CE The Jewish defeat in the First Jewish–Roman War led to many Jews being taken prisoner and enslaved or becoming refugees. 119 Large Jewish communities of Cyprus, Cyrene and Alexandria obliterated after the Jewish defeat in Kitos War against Rome. 415 Jews expelled from Alexandria under the leadership of Saint Cyril of Alexandria.[7] 418 Jews expelled from Minorca or asked to convert.[8] 612 Visigothic king Sisebut mandated that every Jew who would refuse for over a year to have himself or his children and servants baptized would be banished from the country and deprived of his possessions.[9] 629 The entire Jewish population of Galilee massacred or expelled, following the Jewish rebellion against Byzantium. 7th century Muhammad expelled Jewish tribes Banu Qaynuqa, and Banu Nadir from Medina, The Banu Qurayza tribe was slaughtered and the Jewish settlement of Khaybar was ransacked. 1012 Jews expelled from Mainz. 1095 – mid-13th century The waves of Crusades destroyed many Jewish communities in Europe (most notably in Rhineland) and in the Middle East (most notably in Jerusalem).[citation needed] Mid-12th century The invasion of Almohades brought to end the Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain. Among other refugees was Maimonides, who fled to Morocco, then Egypt, then Eretz Israel. 1276 Jews expelled from Upper Bavaria.[10][11] 12th–14th centuries France. The practice of expelling the Jews accompanied by confiscation of their property, followed by temporary readmissions for ransom, was used to enrich the crown: expulsions from Paris by Philip Augustus in 1182, from France by Louis IX in 1254, by Philip IV in 1306, by Charles IV in 1322, by Charles V in 1359, by Charles VI in 1394. 13th century The influential philosopher and logician Ramon Llull (1232–1315) called for expulsion of all Jews who would refuse conversion to Christianity. Some scholars regard Llull's as the first comprehensive articulation, in the Christian West, of an expulsionist policy regarding Jews. 1288 Naples issues first expulsion of Jews in Southern Italy.[12] 1290 King Edward I of England issues the Edict of Expulsion for all Jews from England. 1293 Destruction of most of the Jewish communities in the Kingdom of Naples.[12] 1360 Jews expelled from Hungary by Louis I of Hungary.[13] 1392 Jews expelled from Bern, Switzerland. 1420-21 Austrian authorities again arrest and expel Jews and Jews are banned from the capital Vienna.[15] 1442 Jews again expelled from Upper Bavaria.[10] 1478 Jews expelled from Passau.[10] 1491 Jews of Ravenna expelled, synagogues destroyed.[12] 1492 Ferdinand II and Isabella I issued the Alhambra decree, General Edict on the Expulsion of the Jews from Spain 1495 Charles VIII of France occupies Kingdom of Naples, bringing new persecution against Jews, many of whom were refugees from Spain.[12] 1496 Jews expelled from Portugal. Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor, issues a decree expelling all Jews from Styria and Wiener Neustadt. 1499 Jews expelled from Nuremberg.[10] 1510 Jews expelled from Naples.[12] 1519 Jews expelled from Regensburg.[10] 1526 Jews expelled from Pressburg (Bratislava) in the wake of the defeat of the Kingdom of Hungary by the Ottoman Empire.[16] 1551 All remaining Jews expelled from the duchy of Bavaria. 1569 Pope Pius V expels Jews from the papal states, except for Ancona and Rome.[12] 1593 Pope Clement VIII expels Jews living in all the papal states, except Rome, Avignon and Ancona. 1597 Nine hundred Jews expelled from Milan.[12] 1614 Fettmilch Uprising: Jews are expelled from Frankfurt, Holy Roman Empire, following the plundering of the Judengasse. 1654 The fall of the Dutch colony of Recife in Brazil to the Portuguese prompted the Jewish arrival in New Amsterdam, the first group of Jews to flee to North America. 1669-1670 Jews expelled from Vienna by Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor and subsequently forbidden to settle in the Austrian Hereditary Lands. 1683 Jews expelled from Haiti and all of the other French colonies, due to the Code Noir decree issued by Louis XIV.[18] 1701–1714 War of the Spanish Succession. After the war, Jews of Austrian origin were expelled from Bavaria, but some were able to acquire the right to reside in Munich.[10] 1744–1790s The reforms of Frederick II, Joseph II and Maria Theresa sent masses of impoverished German and Austrian Jews east. 1791 The tzarina of Russia Catherine the Great institutes the Pale of Settlement, restricting Jews to the western parts of the empire by means of deportation. By the late 19th century, over four million Jews would live in the Pale. 1862 Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky Jews expelled by Ulysses S. Grant by General Order No. 11.[19] 1880-1910s Pogroms in the Russian Empire: around 2.5 million Jews emigrated from eastern Europe, mostly to the United States.[20] 1933–1957 First Batch of Refugee children arrive in England from Germany. The Nazi German persecution started with the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses in 1933, [after the jews first tried to starve the germans with blockaides and worldwide boycotts of german products, then declared war on germany] emphasis added reached a first climax during Kristallnacht in 1938 and culminated in the Holocaust of European Jewry. The British Mandate of Palestine prohibited Jewish emigration to Mandatory Palestine. The 1938 Evian Conference, the 1943 Bermuda Conference and other attempts failed to resolve the problem of Jewish refugees, a fact widely used in Nazi propaganda (see also MS St. Louis). A small number of German and Austrian Jewish refugees from Nazism emigrated to Britain, where attitudes were not necessarily positive.[21] Many of the refugees fought for Britain in the Second World War. After WW-II, eastern European Holocaust survivors migrated to the allied-controlled part of Europe, as the Jewish society to which most of them belonged did not exist anymore. Often they were lone survivors consumed by the often futile search for other family and friends, and often unwelcome in the towns from which they came. They were known as displaced persons (also known as Sh'erit ha-Pletah) and placed in displaced persons camps, most of which were by 1951 closed. The last camp Föhrenwald was closed in 1957. Just sort of slipped their mind! Iraqi Jews displaced 1951. The Exodus bringing in refugees. In the course of the operation "Magic Carpet" (1949–1950), the entire community of Yemenite Jews (called Teimanim, about 49,000) immigrated to Israel. 1947 Egypt passed the Companies' Law. The rest, although in many cases born in Egypt and living there for generations, did not hold Egyptian citizenship.[29] 1948 State of Israel established. Antisemitism in Egypt strongly intensified. 1949 Jordan occupies and then annexes the West Bank – largely allotted by the 1947 UN Partition of Palestine to an Arab state, proposal rejected by the Arab leadership – and conducts large scale discrimination and persecution of all non-Muslim residents – Jewish, Christian (of many denominations), Druze, Circassian, etc. – and forces Arabisation of all public activity, including schools and public administration.[30] 1954 Jews who were tried on various charges, mainly for Zionist and communist activities. Jews were forced to donate large sums of money to the military. 1956 The government ordered thousands of Jews to leave the country within a few days, and they were not allowed to sell their property, nor to take any capital with them. 1962 70,000 Jews had left for France and another 5,000 for Israel. It is estimated that some 80% of Algerian Jews settled in France.[31] 1965 Situation of Jews in Algeria rapidly deteriorates. By 1969, fewer than 1,000 Jews remain. By the 1990s, the numbers had dwindled to approximately 70.[31] 1967 Hundreds of Egyptian Jews arrested, suffering beatings, torture, and abuse. Some were released following intervention by foreign states, especially by Spain, and were permitted to leave the country. 1968 1968 Polish political crisis forced thousands of Jews to leave communist Poland. 1970 Less than 1,000 Jews still lived in Egypt in 1970. They were given permission to leave but without their possessions. As of 1971, only 400 Jews remained in Egypt. As of 2013, only a few dozen Jews remain in Egypt.[29] 1970s–1990s State-sponsored persecution in the Soviet Union prompted hundreds of thousands of Soviet Jews, known as Refuseniks because they had been denied official permission to leave, to flee; most went to Israel or to the United States as refugees.[33] 1991 14,000 Jews fled Ethiopia as part of Operation Solomon. Clearly the problem is NOT the Jews its the rest of the world!
Fine answer Arabs decided there would be no Palestine nation. 1947 or 1949 through 1967. An Arab decision.
