"I am a Zionist"

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    the jews violated already made and signed agreements, no one is stupid enough to sign agreements when the other party has no intention to abide by them and with no system or means of remedy.
    I suppose you would?
     
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  2. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    you mean palestinians are on there somewhere?
    You cant find them either?
    One sec, I'll get a magnifying glass
    Seems Jews have no respect for the rights of anyone but Jews
    and of course the rights of Jews have higher standing than anyone elses rights.

    The words of a Jewish businessman, considered a traitor among Zionists and Jews, because he put 'truth' above politics
    http://www.magtudin.org/Benjamin Freedman.htm

    Once upon a time: An antisemite was someone who hated Jews, today its someone Jews hate.
     
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    It was a multi-generational error for the Palestinians to abandon Oslo. Having been defeated in every conflict, they had no other option.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    sorry an option for the palestinians to fck themselves is not an option, but thanks for playing.
     
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    It was their only choice. Decades of their own political stupidity and military incompetence eliminated all others. Had they made a better choice then they would be better off now.
     
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    Your opinion which is highly flawed. the pals had no options what so ever, you admit it.

    Promises
    In 1917, the British Balfour Declaration promised to support the establishment of a Jewish national home in Ottoman-controlled Palestine. This was in order to win Jewish support for Britain's First World War effort.

    The British had also made a promise to the Arabs that a united Arab country, covering most of the Arab Middle East, would result if the Ottoman Turks were defeated.

    In the aftermath of the war, neither promise was fulfilled.

    General Sir Edmund Allenby entering Jerusalem, 11 December 1917

    Mandate
    In 1920, Britain assumed responsibility for Palestine under a League of Nations Mandate. During the next two decades over 100,000 Jews entered the country.

    The British Army's operations in Palestine during this period were mainly directed against militant Arab groups opposed to this mass Jewish immigration. Violence reached a height with the Arab Revolt of 1936-39.


    Try checking your claims against actual history, pals had NO choice.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You evade the question

    Why wasn't remaining Arab land in Palestine
    made into the Arab nation of Palestine?


    Please reply.
    Wordfulness is obfuscation ;)
     
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    Well, no. In 1948 the Mufti of Jerusalem, having spent WW2 as Hitler's guest in Berlin, launched his war to drive the Jews from Jerusalem. His war preparation effort was boosted by a friendly British administration in Palestine, and his actual war effort benefited from cooperation with the British-officered Arab Legion from Jordan.
     
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    Continuous Jewish immigration and British colonial rule led to sectarian violence between Jews and Arabs which eventually caused the British government to announce its intention to terminate the Mandate in 1947. The United Nations General Assembly voted to partition Palestine into independent Arab and Jewish states.
    source, and an explanation how you think that applies to the subject
     
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    Do you understand that you are making my point?
     
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    Im not, you seem to have the wacky idea that the jews can violate the terms of established borders and expand outside their borders into pals territory simply because the pals didnt complete the oslo accords.
    If you have a new set of borders that sanctions these zionist expansions cite it.


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    Sorry, but the Palestinians started a series of wars, from 1948 onward, and lost them all. That sets the borders. By walking away from Oslo the Palestinians forfeited any chance to compensate for their defeats.
     
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    There is plenty of behaviour of Palestinians that I condemn. Likely most of the same that you condemn, but that does not excuse Israel's actions towards Palestinians. It isn't an either/or with me. I don't have a side. I condemn both the state of Israel (and its backers) for doing what they do to Pelstinians, and I condemn individual Palestinians and Palestinian organizations that push violence against Israelis (or anybody else).

    I agree with that.

    Who has offered, what was offered and who responded? Are individual Palestinian muslms allowed full Israeli citizenship if they want it? Are they allowed to return to and live on their ancestral lands, within Israel, like the Jews are? Are they allowed free movement in and out of their country, goods to come in and out? Do you take what some Palestinian "authority" says and count that against all individuals who happen to be born in or live in Palestine?

    That's like saying the perspective from the Jewish side is that all Palestinians are to be slowly starved out as Israel furthe rand further encroaches on and eventually eradicates Palestinians. The Israel government is pushing in that direction. There are zionists who want them to push harder in that direction. There are also Jews who are against this and who want to free Palestine. There are Palestinians along the spectrum as well.

    Yes, I agree. My point was that these Americans (who are NOT everyone who feels downtrodden in the USA) would react little differently than violent Palestinans (who are NOT all Palestinians), as shown by these Antifa/BLM groups, who feel they are being oppressed, but are being oppressed far far less so than Palestinians are. There is nothing special about these Americans that would make them behave any more peacefully than the Palestinians who shoot home made rockets. To make it about how "evil" Palestinians are is a mistake.
     
  14. Kokomojojo

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    Bullshit, it would not have made any difference, Zionists are predators.

    Brit meddling, kissing the ass of the Lord, MONEY, who led the zionist conspiracy to overtake the territory, break promises made, and steal it from the rightful inhabitants.

    Spoken like a true zionist, the Pals were lied to, cheated, and manipulated the whole way through.

    No **** they lose wars, the israeli zionists are supported with modern weapons by american zionists, one side with bear skins and bone knives and the other with nukes and f16's.

    Beginning in 1916, the British hoped that in exchange for their support of Zionism, “the Jews” would help to finance the growing expenses of the First World War, which was becoming increasingly burdensome. More importantly, policy-makers in the Foreign Office believed that Jews could be prevailed upon to persuade the United States to join the War. https://www.rothschildarchive.org/contact/faqs/walter_rothschild_and_the_balfour_declaration

    On November 2, 1917, Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour writes an important letter to Britain's most illustrious Jewish citizen, Baron Lionel Walter Rothschild,
    [zionist jew banker who gained his massive fortune through cheating] expressing the British government's support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The letter would eventually become known as the Balfour Declaration.


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    MANDATE, is now known as CHOICE, OPTION


    99 years on, Balfour Declaration still elicits anger
    Almost 1 century later, controversial British document still elicits Palestinian anger and demands for long-overdue apology

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    GAZA CITY

    Few documents in history have caused as much trouble as Britain’s 1917 Balfour Declaration, which this week celebrated its 99th anniversary.

    In the declaration, dated Nov. 2, 1917, then-British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour tells Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild -- a leader of the Zionist movement at the time -- that the British government "views with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".

    The government, Balfour goes on to promise, "will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine…"

    The infamous declaration was the result of three years of talks between the British government, Britain’s Jewish community and the International Zionist Organization.

    During those talks, the Zionists convinced British officials that their sought-for "national home" in Palestine would not conflict with British interests in the Middle East.


    ‘Those who don’t own’

    Years later, after the Balfour Declaration and its contents became well-known, many in the Arab world -- especially in Palestine -- began referring to it as "the promise of those who do not own [i.e., the British] to those who do not deserve [i.e., the Zionists]".

    The same year that the declaration was issued, amid the upheavals of the First World War, Palestine was occupied by the British army. Five years later, in 1922, the League of Nations -- a forerunner of the UN -- granted Britain a "mandate" to administer post-war Palestine.

    In 1948, Britain withdrew from Palestine, allowing armed Jewish gangs to seize large swathes of the area, on which they swiftly declared the new State of Israel.

    Until today, Palestinians refer to this episode -- in which hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were driven from their ancestral homes -- as the "Nakba", or "Catastrophe".

    Some three quarters of historical Palestine were thus brought under Israeli control, while neighboring Jordan assumed control of the Palestinian West Bank and the Gaza Strip fell under Egyptian administration.

    In the 1967 Middle East War, Israel occupied the West Bank as well, along with East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula and the Syrian Golan Heights.

    The 1993 Oslo Agreement between Israel and the Palestinian Liberation Organization granted the Palestinian leadership -- in the form of a newly-minted "Palestinian Authority" -- semi-autonomy in parts of the West Bank.

    According to a 2015 report by the official Palestinian statistical agency, Israel now controls a whopping 85 percent -- or some 27,000 square kilometers -- of historical Palestine.

    -‘Worst tribulations’

    In September of this year, speaking before the UN General Assembly, Palestine's President Mahmoud Abbas called on Britain to "apologize" for the Balfour Declaration, which, he said, was the source of decades of Palestinian suffering.

    Abdul-Sattar Qassem, a political science professor at the West Bank’s Birzeit University, believes that the Palestinian people suffered their "worst tribulations" in the nearly 100 years since the Balfour Declaration was issued.

    "What the Palestinians are going through now is a direct result of this ‘promise’, which ushered in a new phase of injustice and allowed Israel to appropriate our land and holy places," Qassem told Anadolu Agency.

    "For almost ten decades," he said, "the international community has not treated justly with the Palestinians and has utterly failed to provide a solution to our suffering."

    He added: "The Judaization of Jerusalem continues apace; Jewish settlement-building [on Palestinian territory] goes on; and land confiscations remains commonplace. All this can be traced back to Balfour."


    Empty promises

    Adnan Abu Amer, head of the press and information section at the Gaza Strip’s Al Ummah University, said Palestine had experienced more than one Balfour Declaration -- in the form of numerous empty promises -- over the course of the last century.

    "Israel continues to steal Palestinian land with impunity while the Arab world remains impotent to stop it," he told Anadolu Agency.

    "Everything that is happening in the region today helps Israel continue its policy of denying the Palestinians their basic rights," he said.

    "In recent decades, Israel has steadily become more aggressive, taking advantage of Arab weakness and the support it enjoys from world powers," he added.

    In December of 2014, Washington used its veto right at the UN Security Council to derail an Arab draft resolution that called for ending Israel’s decades-long occupation by the end of 2017.

    On Wednesday, Palestinians marked the Balfour Declaration’s 99th anniversary with angry protests in both the Israeli-occupied West Bank and the Israeli-blockaded Gaza Strip.

    Protesters raised Palestinian flags and banners calling on the British government to apologize to the Palestinian people for the fateful declaration and its wide-ranging consequences.

    And on Friday, dozens of Sudanese demonstrators -- along with several members of the local Palestinian community -- protested outside the UN’s office in Khartoum to denounce the 99-year-old declaration.
    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/99-years-on-balfour-declaration-still-elicits-anger/678942

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    Orthodox (REAL) Jews condemn Zionism!

    Of course in your opinion everything would have been just rosy awesome if the Pals bent over and took it in the........ NOT.

    Present day Zionists violate laws and agreements with impunity your claim is nothing more than a pipe dream of propaganda that follows the logic, they lied to us about everything but they wont lie about oslo. spare me your groundless fantasies.
     
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    Are Jews allowed to return to Gaza, their ancestral land where their forefathers lived for millennia until after WWI?

    The so-called pro-Palestinians' problem is their unproven premise that "Zionists stole Palestinians lands", based on the other unproven premise that an indigenous non-Jewish Palestinian nation has been living in Palestine from time immemorial, and their descendants are the Palestinians of today. I've never seen any proof of either of these premises.

    Please explain why do Jews all over the world have to travel all the way to Israel, abandoning their ancestral homes (two and a half millennia for Iraqi Jews, for instance) in order to live in a Jewish state?
     
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    I look to the UN Resolutions.to guide me here. We talk often about international law and international norms, and look to the UN to help define both. If there are any Un Resolutions describing the boundaries of the state of Israel, those are the boundaries I want their behinds to stay in. Last I checked, it was UN Security Counsel 242 that had the binding language describing the end goal on this issue.
     
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    The truth is that both Palestinians and Jews lived in this region, that WW2 happened, that a bunch of western nations felt guilty about it, and they they decided to make Israel "Jewish", while haphazardly carving up that part of the world. It was arbitrary and imposed by outside powers, on everyone who was living there at the time, Jew and Palestinian alike. What makes it even uglier is that two religions (both Judaism and Islam, with Christian apocalyptic cheerleaders spurring them on) make both sides irrational.

    How could ANY of this be any excuse to hole up Palestinians, restrict their movement, restrict essential goods from passing in and out of their area, etc? All because of where they were born and who their parents are? How is this not apartheid?

    I can't see Israel having any moral high ground here, unless and until Palestinians are either invited to be full equal citizens of Israel, or granted their own state, with a fair division of resources and land. Israel insisting on doing neither is pure oppression.

    And with power so completely one sided, Israel trying to justify their oppression of all Palestinians by pointing at the few violent Palestinians is laughable.
     
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    So, my friends, have you solved the Arab-Israeli conflict yet?

    Perhaps, yet another in the endless parade of pointless discussion threads will do the trick...
     
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    Are Indians allowed to return to Manhattan after living there up to the late 1700's?
    Gee it used to be called Palestine up and until a group of Brito-zionist *******s agreed to assault and displace the inhabitants and took the place over with modern armaments outgunning the present day true inhabitants to insure their proxy presence in the territory by annihilating the lawful inhabitants and stealing their lands. Pot meet kettle!
    Because of their greed and lust for power they undermine legal systems and through modifying laws like a cancer eat away at the foundational culture of every country foolish enough to let them get a foot hold in politics.

    Explain why every nation on the planet that has let them in has also kicked them out?
    The thread contents is proof where the US is headed under the present day zionist control. More lies, more deceit, and things will get far worse before they get better.

    Just look at the far reaching gov encroachments on our liberty in this country. Commercial that is forced upon us to trump and wipe out our reserved rights bringing them under zionist control. Money is the root of all evil and the Zionists are the root of all money!

    Lies taught as facts:
    Jul 23, 2018 — New York is one of eight states that have laws requiring schools to teach about the Holocaust. Middle and high school teachers ...

    Are the states also forced to teach about eisenscumbags death camps killing over a million germans by starvation and no shelter from the elements? NO

    Are the states also forced to teach about the real holocaust where eisenscumbag (a Jew btw) burned over 300,000 innocent men women and children using unlawful incendiaries to incinerate Dresden? NO!

    Just laws to insure the perpetuation of the zionist lie and coverup for what the Zio-J-Ws did and continue to do, promote their lies.

    The official records are well known, there was never more than 375000 inmates that went through auschwitz from its inception through 1945, yet the ZioJ-Ws claimed 4 million died there for the sole purpose if bilking the nations out of their MONEY. People are that stupid to think 4 million can die when only 375,were ever present, welcome to the new world order!

    Pisa, why were the J-Ws booted out of every country that ever left them in?

    Its a well known fact zionist J-Ws hijacked judaism for their political gain and Orthodox Jews (rightfully) want to boot the criminally led ZioJ-W state out of the holy land!

    Bravo to the orthodox Jews for doing what is righteous!
    Bravo!

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    You lost me at your Protocols puppetry, Koko.

    Have fun with your thread...

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    Yes there are so many people today that cant see the forest they are in because there are so damn many trees in the way, aint that a fact Ron! lol


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    Good bye.
     
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    The Arabs don't like the Palestinians who are essentially drifters, nomads, who've never had a nation over there. Basically they are a homeless people who are not civilized and who have literally been kicked out of every nation over there.
    They found a chance to squat on some land during war time and have been there ever since but they have no claim to it, the British gifted it to them when they didn't have a use for it.

    The Arabian people may not like the Jews stuck in there but they also do not like the Palestinians.

    They certainly are never going to fight for them.
     
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    I can't possibly reply to this post. Nothing in it does even remotely resemble the truth.

    Did you know that Jews led by Shabbetay Zvi became a military force that threatened the Ottomans in the 17th century Palestine? Did you know that Jews tried to get back Palestine from the Ottomans in the 19th century? I bet you didn't. So much for your "the world felt pity for Jews" distortion of historical facts.

    It would take several volumes of Jewish, Middle Eastern, and world history to properly reply to your post. I'll only mention that your "few violent Palestinians" are in fact the product of decades of unrelenting training and funding of terrorists, first by Egypt in the 50s, then by the Soviet Union, and later by Iran. The PLO and PFLP are made in Kremlin, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad are made in Egypt, Harakat al-Sabireen is made in Iran, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades is a local offshoot of Fatah - and these are only some of the terrorist groups. Not "a few" by any possible earthly standards.
     
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    I was just getting my motor warmed up too.
     

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