Smartie's Bar & Grill #74

That is very kind of you. Some people aren't so kind they call people worse than dogs. Not meaning to sound down.

 

That was tragic. If my post was insensitive I apologize. It was on a calendar and I thought is was cute.

 

One side of me says do not blame the dog. But the owner is in prison and not eligible for parole until next year. She Is in prison for the acts of a dog.

 

So let me understand. You equate dogs to Tigers? Tigers are very large completely wild cats. They can defeat lions. The Presa Canario in question was put to death. The woman that was charged 20 years ago is in prison paying for acts of the dog.

I never liked the verdict. It is not the prisoner I like or do not like, I hate when an owner has a dog inside her own home that rushes out and attacks a victim taking the blame for acts by the dog. I have seen many pit bull owners brag their dog is nice. I assure the forum here some also think the Presa Canario is a wonderful dog.

I believe given the article mentions convicts in prison being Arians that the trial was about the male too who is locked up for life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diane_Whipple#Attack

 

No I don't compare 'dogs' to tigers. I compare 'these dogs' to tigers. The article describes how they were trained as fighting dogs.
They are large and dangerous just like tigers and I believe you understood my analogy perfectly.

 

You sound like my gorgeous funny caring lovely sweet wife. That you definitely do not want to cross.

 

The Presa Canario is just one of many apparently very loyal and affectionate domestic pets that have been used effectively for centuries to protect households and especially children from intruders and other threats. IOW, they not like lions and tigers or any other wild animals.

Of course they are dangerous - hence their effectiveness. Anyone who uses a large effective dog for protection will be subject to substantial civil and criminal liability for damages, injuries or deaths resulting from an owners failure to control such a dog. Owning one is in may ways similar to owning a shotgun.

 

Again.
I don't compare 'Presa Canario dogs' to tigers. I compare 'these Presa Canario dogs' to tigers. The article describes how they were trained as fighting dogs.
They are large and dangerous just like tigers and I believe you understood my analogy perfectly.

 

Dog owners, like all pet owners, have always been held responsible for the behavior of their animals.

 

Are you approving or commenting?

 

Domesticated pets are not like wild animal. The PC can be trained and controlled by human beings to be reliable safe pets and home protectors. Lions and tigers are never reliable as either protectors or pets. IMO, the exaggerated comparison undermines your argument.

 

Not clear to me that the woman in prison understood said dog was trained to fight. But the woman that was killed was not a dog, but a human.

Do not get the idea I think her death was okay. I recall it very well since I lived in the SF Bay area then and was stunned such an animal killed a young woman in her prime.
Marjorie has been locked up for close to 20 years. What date will suffice as punishment for a dog she had killing a woman in the same apartment building?

 

I approve of holding dog owners responsible for the behavior of their animals. I would have to know all the facts of any specific case to comment on guilt or innocence.

 

Only if you think I was comparing the domesticated animal to the tiger.
I was not, I was comparing the situation the owner found themselves in.
They had a dangerous animal in a flat with a shared access, were they ignorant of the possible outcome, I don't think so. Anymore than if they decided to keep tigers.

 

Were she not appraised of the dogs history I would have some sympathy, had her attempts to discover its history been met with lies I would be even more sympathetic. However I strongly suspect the courts considered all these aspects before passing judgement.

 

California has some wild and strange laws.

Bear in mind the rest of the story I related.

SF had a woman killed by an illegal alien. HE shot her to death. CA found him innocent.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/15/us/kate-steinle-immigrant-mental-illness/index.html

 

She having been a lawyer can't argue as I could. I have not raised dogs. I have not had fighting animals. She I believe got busted by CA due to who gave her the dog. She and her husband adopted a criminal. I think she paid the price for the criminal at Pelican Bay prison. It had been his dog. He is alleged to have trained it to fight. But not to fight humans, but to fight other dogs.

 

I recall the case at the time it happened since I lived in proximity to SF.

What especially gripes me about San Francisco is they let off a 7 time felon illegal who killed a woman using a gun and jails a woman for murder who had not trained the animal to fight humans.

 

To bluntly put it, San Francisco by prosecuting her is guilty of hypocrisy. They jailed this woman over a dog and freed a 7 time felon who was here illegally and alleged he is mentally ill. Sure, he killed a woman out for a walk on a SF pier.

 

OMG they take into account mental illness. Shocking

 

My new TDS meter has been on backorder for so long that I forgot all about it. It came just in time to be no longer needed.

 

Unless you are a citizen of this nation with the name Marjorie Knoller. She got over 20 years locked up.

 

Oh, did she have mental issues?