Our constitution is being eroded incrementally and by degree the same way they did to germany as I type this. Its only a matter of time and we will be in the same boat germany is in
At the moment we have the right to publicly debunk residual Allied atrocity propaganda and Holocaust Industry generated lies from limited platforms such as this forum but truthful accounts about WW 2 and the holocaust rarely see the light of day in more widely published MSM sources. Whether it's through censorship in MSM's private monopoly or government mandated censorship, the net result is the same. Most Americans are primarily "Hollywood Educated" or victims of professional Holocaust Industry brainwashing when it comes to information about this tragic era. Perhaps the greatest threat to truth comes from the Holocaust Industry's own insidious efforts to infect American schools with mandatory & uniform holocaust propaganda such as the Holocaust Education Bill(1). A close second in professional holocaustian prevarication is the publishing industry that is eager to make a quick buck no matter how fraudulent the content of the memoir or personal account(2). Apparently, anyone can claim to be a "holocaust survivor" and get away with weaving completely fictitious tales of woe as long as it conforms to the fraudulent holocaust narrative. Only in "Holocaustland" can pitiful 40 pound victims overpower sadistic, German guards, leap 12 foot tall fences, defecate diamonds, extract water from stone and magically survive multiple "gassings" in non existent homicidal gas chambers. Anything is possible in "Holocaustland" as long as the Germans are portrayed as brutish, slow witted tormentors and saintly Jews as sage survivors of unspeakable horrors. The only demand made on captive schoolchildren who are dragged into "Holocaustland" is that they surrender all common sense and critical thinking skills that are otherwise considered praiseworthy when evaluating all other topics. In spite of the remarkable marketing prowess of the influential Holocaust Industry, not all schoolchildren are force marched into the fictitious world of "Holocaustland" but as the Holocaust Industry has succeeded in extorting $ Billions from numerous countries around the world, it's only a matter of time before American schoolchildren are forced to memorize the fictitious, standard holocaust narrative. (1) "On Remembrance Day, US House overwhelmingly passes Holocaust education bill" https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-re...erwhelmingly-passes-holocaust-education-bill/ EXCERPT "The legislation was widely supported by the organized American Jewish community. “We are pleased that the House has taken action today, on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, to ensure that the lessons of the Holocaust will be passed from one generation to the next,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the Anti-Defamation League. “We look forward to this law’s swift passage and to working closely with teachers and districts across the country to ensure that Holocaust education is uniform and consistent across the country.”CONTINUED (2) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war. No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out. Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED
He's been in political office for over 40 years. No politician lasts that long without groveling before the altar of the Holocaust Industry.
Trump & Kushner certainly did their best to appease Israel's Right Wing extremists by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, breaking the Nuclear Deal with Iran, attempting to legitimize Israel's illegal Settlements, defunding the Palestinians etc. From what I've read so far, at least Biden is trying to undo Trump's counterproductive Mid East machinations but only time will tell.
I don't like Trump for many reasons, but I think that the Zionists deliberately put the flea Kushner in his fur to turn him into a will-less tool of Zionism. Is this an anti-Semitic thought? Maybe I'm one of the few anti-Semites who doesn't deny the Holocaust. Joe will have a good relationship with Israel by tradition. He's more conservative than Republican voters might think.
American Zionists are usually members of the evangelical Christian sect. Joe Biden is a Catholic. Catholics are usually not friends of Judaism. What's about trump? Is he even a Christian?
I don't know why Trump became such a pawn of Israel's Zionist Right Wing extremists. I do remember reading that Kushner had $ Millions invested in Israeli real estate/hotels but pointing out hard facts is hardly anti Semitic. Trump did do everything he could to appease the Christian Zionists and hard core Right Wing Zionists in and out of Israel. Facts are not anti Semitic, they're simply facts just like it's a fact that myths about the holocaust have been greatly exaggerated and crassly exploited is a hard fact. On the other hand, it is an anti Semitic myth to declare that all Jews are greedy and deceptive thieves but there's nothing anti Semitic about condemning Israel's horrific treatment of the Palestinians or rejecting grossly inflated myths about the holocaust. By now you certainly have seen instances in which one person has called another person an anti Semite simply because they can't defend Israel's treatment of the Palestinians or are unable to refute facts about the holocaust. Its so common that Israel's former Education Minister, Shulamit Aloni, calls it "The Trick: EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic..... And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED Shulamit Aloni https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm So, it's not anti Semitic to point out the fact that Israel's Right Wing Zionists have harshly persecuted Palestine's native residents or that the Holocaust Industry fabricates lies about the holocaust. Both are simply irrefutable facts. I don't know what sort of relationship Biden will have with the Israelis but I don't think that Israel's Right Wing Zionists are happy about some of the things he has promised to do.
I doubt we both mean the same thing by what we call "facts". Zionists use the anti-Semitism reproach as a political weapon. I don't take this very seriously. On the other hand, I think I'm a little bit anti-Semitic because I don't allow the Jews to defend their conquered territory. I unconditionally support the Palestinians' struggle for freedom against Zionist aggression. That's my anti-Semitism.
What is wrong with supporting Israel's conquest and occupation of the land the Palestinians claim? I'm a big believer in a nation's military conquests being accepted and recognized. Because the alternative would be monstrous.
That's true. From the Zionist point of view, you're either 100% on-board or you're a racist anti-Semite. Therein lies the hypocrisy of their position. They levy embargoes on Palestine prohibiting them from getting weapons and military equipment, and then scream, "Resistance is Futile!" Then they castigate the Palestinians for resisting and when the Palestinians resort to the only means available to them, they're excoriated as "terrorists." The Palestinians have a right to be there and a right to defend themselves. If you know Grimm's Law of vocalic and fricative shifts, the maps make sense. If you look at maps from Renaissance Era, it's Falastine. If you look at maps from the Medieval Period, it's Filistine or Philistine (depending on the language). Yeah, as in Philistine. They say, well those people aren't there any more. No, they're still there. Their DNA is still there. The fact that they speak Arabic and not the Phoenician dialect of Aramaic doesn't alter the fact that their DNA still there. The Bactrians are still in Bactria. That was an old kingdom that occupied parts of present-day Afghanistan and Pakistan. The fact that they now speak Turkic languages and not Bacrian doesn't alter any realities. That would be like saying Jews aren't really Jews because they speak Yiddish or Modern Hebrew instead of Classical Biblical Hebrew (which is very different than modern Hebrew).
The Zionist occupation of Palestine is a big injustice and is associated with massacres and displacement. Nobody will accept that who can tell right from wrong!
When did the Israelis massacre Palestinians? You lose a war you lose your land. That is justice as far as I'm concerned.
The right of the strongest no longer applies unconditionally, after humanity has grown up and did become civilized. We have discovered compassion and justice. We're no longer predators of the jungle.
Somewhere in the past when man discovered the Golden Rule. He understood that it's wrong to murder his innocent human brother.
There's no way to answer that question without conducting an archeological dig and forensic analysis. The standard narrative in 1970s high school history textbooks was that 6 Million Jews were murdered: 4 Million at Auschwitz and 2 Million in the Eastern Territory, ie Treblinka, Sobibor and Chelmno. We now know that narrative is false for many reasons, including the now undisputed fact that there never were 4 Million Jews at Auschwitz. That's true. You either accept the spoon-fed narrative 100% or you're a "Denier." No room for questioning. It is not "filthy" to ask questions. Were Jews rounded up and put into camps? Absolutely. No question about it, but that does not rise to the level of Holocaust. And if you believe it does, then you must admit to the US Holocaust where aboriginal tribal groups were rounded up and placed in camps called reservations. Were Jews indiscriminately murdered individually or en masse? Absolutely. No question about it. You need only read Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101. Those were police officers from Hamburg and surrounding areas that constituted a reserve army battalion. They were called up to active duty and sent to the Eastern Territory (eastern Poland and most of Belarus). They operated in rural areas. Not cities or towns, but hamlets and villages with populations of 40 to maybe 800 people or so. They rounded up the villagers, did a head count, and then executed them and buried the bodies. The evidence of that is clear, because not only did the soldiers admit to it, the field reports filed by the officers and battalion staff support it, as do the statements of civilian Germans, Poles and Belorussians, and then there's the matter of the graves with the bodies. How is that different than Abraham Lincoln? Lincoln was a captain and commanded a cavalry troop in the Illinois National Guard. He led his cavalry troop on the raid of a village murdering several 100 of the elderly, women and children of the Sacs & Fox Tribe. Why didn't the men fight? Well, had they been there, I'm sure they would have, except they weren't there. They were ordered by the governor to leave Illinois, except they just can't boogie through the territories of other tribes, because that would be an act of war. The men of the Sacs & Fox had to go parlay with the Ojibwa, Illini, Huron, Arapaho and other tribes to create a sort of "treaty" that would give them safe passage through those territories. Isn't that a Holocaust? Lincoln's cavalry troop wasn't the only action. There were lots of raids by the Army, National Guard, militias and citizen groups that slaughtered lots of Indians. Were Jews cremated at Auschwitz? But, of course, they were! On this planet, you know, Earth, it was standard practice by every country, including the US, to cremate Typhus victims. During the Typhoid Plagues here in the US in the early part of the 20th Century, they would stack the dead like cord-wood in the streets, douse them kerosene and set them on fire, because that's what you do. Nobody had seen a virus yet, and they didn't know Typhus was an airborne/water-borne/blood-borne/food-borne pathogen, but they did know that burning the bodies could help bring an end to the plague. Typhus plagues were common in the concentration camps, especially after the Allies bombed the waste and water treatment facilities. Anytime you have a large number of people confined to a small area with poor sanitation and poor hygiene you get Typhus (and Cholera and Dysentery as well). You have to cremate the bodies. The claim that there was a Planned Program of Extermination fails in the face of the evidence. Take Anne Frank. Her train arrives at Auschwitz during a Typhus plague, so to save her life and the lives of other Jews, those trains are turned away and sent to other camps. Do you not see how that makes no sense? Her father was not sent away with Anne. He had cut his foot and it was infected, so he, along with a couple dozen other Jews who were sick or injured were sent to hospital. Her father survived, but Anne did not, because she was sent to Bergen-Belsen and later a Typhus plague swept through killing her and 1,000s of others. I used to hang out at Bergen-Belsen. I trained with the Green Jackets at Celle at the Northern Ireland Training Course before they were deployed to Northern Ireland and used to drink beer at Bill Bailey's Beer Bar in Fallingbostel and hang with the Canadians from the 4th Mech Brigade at Sennelager and with III Queen's Infantry and the 2nd Royal Tank Regiment at Paderborn. Bergen-Belsen didn't have ovens, so they dug pits, dumped the Typhus victims in there, doused them with diesel, burned them, then covered up the pit with earth. The claims by a few guilt-ridden Jewish police who sold out their fellow Jews for better treatment and who often participated in whatever the Germans did, including killing other Jews are suspect. Yeah, being a Jewish police in a camp is peachy.....right up to the point the war ends at which time your fellow Jews turn on you for being a traitor. They would say anything, even lie, to deflect from and downplay the atrocities they committed by making up stories of gas chambers. We could easily resolve that by doing an archeological dig and forensic examination, but it is prohibited by law. Surely, you can see that's problematic: I want the Truth but I'm not allowed to determine the Truth under penalty of fines and imprisonment. You want a number? Well, based on my studies at university in Holocaust courses and the evidence, maybe 650.000 to 750,000 and twice that died of disease or malnutrition.
Because unfortunately there are also bad people against whom you have to defend yourself. But Zionists didn't kill for defense. They commit genocide. https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/04/03/israel-gaza-killings-unlawful-calculated
Thanks for one of the most calm, credible and rational Posts I have read about this topic at this forum. I have already submitted several comments on this topic and only have time to make a few observations on what you have already written. Re: I'm sure that laws vary from country to country but I know of only 2 archeological digs (1), (2) that have done at Treblinka and neither found any evidence that about 850,000 people had been killed, buried, dug up, burned and reburied as per holocaust mythology. The first and most credible independent study was done by Richard Krege and a team from Australia in October of 1999. They used augers to take soil samples and a GPR (ground penetrating radar) machine for 6 days in all the areas alleged to be mass graves and found nothing to support the holocaustian myth that about 850,000 people are buried there in mass graves.. Later, a study was done by the mainstream Smithsonian Institute. They, too found no mass graves and only found a few human remains that could have been from any era. Few people stop to think how utterly impossible it would be to make about 850,000 human bodies completely disappear by crudely attempting to burn them with railroad ties in pits. Finally, Air Photo Evidence disproves Allied propaganda - Holocaust Industry myths by showing no ground disturbance at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two (3). You may be surprised to know that there are far more people who do not believe the profit driven myths generated by the corrupt Holocaust Industry(4) than have been professionally deceived by residual Allied propaganda and outrageous Holocaust Industry lies. It is equally revealing that the holocaust is the only event for which people in about 16 countries can be imprisoned and/or fined. As you must know, the truth does not need to be protected by draconian censorship laws. A lie, on the other hand can only survive with the aid of government mandated censorship laws. Thanks, (1) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust” https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363 EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves."CONTINUED (2) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves" https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED (3) Air Photo Evidence http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html EXCERPT: "The Bottom Line To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED (4) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
Your response is full of false stereotypes and erroneous comments. To start with you have never met me and clearly do not know what Zionism is nor have you spoken to any Zionist. Your uses and references as to what Zionists think in your abover references are YOUR subjective stereotypes and assumptions of what you think "Zionists" think. You prescribe all Zionists your subjective projected thoughts and therein lies the first issue I have with you. You are quite busy telling me what I and others think and you have never met us let alone know what we think. You do though presume to think you know what you think and it reflects your very erroneous and simplistic and I might say stunted and rigid concepts of a highly complex conflict which shows you do not understans the history, orgins or people of the Arabian peninsula and rely on your assumptions by reading web-sites and the opinions of people with specific political agendae to deny that certain people of the Middle East who are NOT Muslim should be able to have their own nation as do Muslims. I will finish this next post.
I will now repudiate specific comments from Mircea He stated: "From the Zionist point of view, you're either 100% on-board or you're a racist anti-Semite." No that is not my opinion or the opinion of others who may be Zionist. That is Mircea's deliberate misrepresentation fo our opinions. You will note he quotes no words from any "Zionist". This is because he fabricated this opinion. Next, even if he could quote a "Zionist" using such a mentally challenged and stunted assumption it would only reflect their own individual opinion. However the above comment makes it clear Mircea came on this board to advance negative sterreotypes on ALL Zionists to incite hatred of them. He then states: "Therein lies the hypocrisy of their position." No therein lies proof he never quoted the opinion of anyone but himself and then projected it on all Zionists. He then advanced these false stereotype beliegs on all Zionists and I quote from him: "They levy embargoes on Palestine prohibiting them from getting weapons and military equipment, and then scream, "Resistance is Futile!" " "...they castigate the Palestinians for resisting and when the Palestinians resort to the only means available to them, they're excoriated as "terrorists." In regards to the above false projects many people Zionist and non Zionist have opinions. Zionists do not all have one identical opinion nor do for that matter Israelis, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Palestinians. Of course not. I lived in Israel. I volunteered in Israel. I witnessed terrorism first hand and cleaned up body parts unlike Mircea and I know for a fact he has never been to Israel or the West Bank or Gaza. I know that for a fact because I have been face to face with Palestinians of all kinds including those who would just as assume kill me and never would any of them use the language or concepts he does to define me. His words drip priviliged, sheltered, arm chair sofa, far removed from the conflict rich boy assumptions about others. To start with most of us who have lived there and in particular Israelis and Palestinians do not engage in the idiotic simplistic rigid stereotypes written in Mic's response. People in an ancient on-going conflict long since stopped using such idiotic words or phrases. No Israeli has ever stated Resistance is futlie". That is a pathetic misappropriation of a phrase from Star Trek used by an alien people who have a hive mentality and collective thought process and it reflects someone who can't differentiate what he watches on t.v. from reality. Let me make it clear to Micrea how full of it he is for using such misappropriate words. If he were to witness a terrorist attack and like I and others had to put body parts in bags and try identify who they came out of he would know this crystal clear-a body blown up whether its Palestinian or Israeli blows up the same way and smells and handles the same way when put in a body bag. We don't need someone like him telling us what label to put on that body bag. I will finish this next post.
