Democrats really have a two faced problem.

Golem's post was in reply to this question: "My question is WHY is it good in Washington and not on the border?" Post #2, clearly responding to the question in the OP. Post here: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-a-two-faced-problem.585395/#post-1072465399

 

They're selling fear of Republicans or Trump supporters. The nutcase police chief in DC is now saying "domestic terrorists" are planning a bombing on the day of the SOTU speech. These people aren't stupid, they know exactly what their rhetoric can lead to.

 

Cali's county by county CCW/LTC laws are inane and the good cause requirement is typical Cali nonsense.

Many of the counties that are the ones where concealed carry is most justified are the ones where permits are all but impossible to get.

Somewhat frivolously

Lady GaGa needs a new dogwalker. Maybe you could open up a business. Fame, money and power seem to somehow facilitate getting a permit. Maybe you could get Chuck Norris to help. "Rodeo Drive Dog Walkers" might work. "Our Service Officers Protect Your Dogs, and We Scoop!"

Celebrity dog walkers = Exceptional Good Cause?

 

Democrats are doing their level best.

 

There are some countries that take their borders' integrity seriously, crossing illegally gets you shot on sight plus a looong prison stint.

 

If there was any justice here at PF then this thread would have ended with this post.

 

Its more accurate to say I don't see as a huge problem.

 

The Doofster is talking about stuff that is thread related, albeit obliquely related.

I would like to see your backup for these assertions I've formatted in bold.

Undocumented workers by definition are paid in cash, or at least off the books payroll out of some sort of account of the business owner. My lawn guy was off the books, cash payments and below the threshold that required me to report the payments. He may have been here illegally, I don't know. I didn't ask for his papers.

Documented foreign workers do not pay Federal Income Tax or FICA according to this link,

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/foreign-agricultural-workers

But yeah, sure, everyone pays sales taxes, property taxes, etc... So, you're perhaps referring to these types of taxes paid by the entirety of those that make money off the books?

 

The OP asked about the difference between the security put in place around the freaking Capital of the United States of America which include a security fence, versus the bs Trump solution to illegal immigration in the form of a wall on the Southern US Border. So this post was a perfect response to the questionable validity (forum rules and all) of the OP question.

Financial laws and penalties would end illegal immigration more certainly than any other method. But you, I suspect, as a Libertarian would never favor a cashless and fully monitored economy, would you?

 

Men, women and children dying while attempting to enter the country isn't a big deal?

 

Nope. is it to you?

 

Well, if you noodle out the answer to that question, you will understand why: competition in the market place forces you to. To avoid that pressure, you need command pricing.

 

No it doesn't.

 

Right, now that white people are doing the rioting. Last summer, in preparation for a BLM protest, you couldn't even see the Capitol steps through all of the federal troops lined up on then.

 

Do you mean these teenagers?

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/9714...-shelters-for-teens-but-its-not-kids-in-cages

Using the facility is temporary until they can finish a new place that will allow for safer distancing due to the virus. Right now, they don't have anyplace to house them, so what's the alternative?

"The alternative was sending the children back on a dangerous journey to their home countries or releasing them into the United States without properly vetting their potential sponsor, according to the White House."

Neither of those options are what a civilized, caring nation would do.

Righties like to cherry-pick a story and take what they think is damning data, then spin it into whataboutisms against the left. It's pathetic.

 

Across some terrain that is so rugged and remote that the bit of fencing they were able to put up is already crumbling because they built it on sand and rocks? Yes.

Along the Rio Grande? Yes.

Fences are only effective is someone is watching them 24/7, so why not stick to fencing in the vicinity of legal crossing stations, and leave the rest to drones?

 

Said a man who never got his hands dirty doing any sort of manual labor in his entire life. I will never understand why so many hard working Americans admire this lazy sleazebag who has never had to sweat the rent, or gone hungry, or had to physically work at anything. I once spent two days, with two other people and one tractor, pulling stumps from a Kentucky field that was being cleared to plant hay. I would pay BIG money to watch Trump do that!

 

Here you go

https://www.marketplace.org/2019/01...-pay-billions-social-security-and-receive-no/

https://americasvoice.org/blog/immigration-101-immigrant-taxes/

Nope. I meant income tax. Both Federal and State (where that applies)

 

Yes, look at all those black people.....

 

It matters not that many races participated in the protests. Just the fact that BLM was organizing the one in DC last June got the Trump administration's boxers in enough of a bunch that they surrounded the Capitol with troops. But when, weeks in advance, the same authorities were made aware that tens of thousand of possibly armed white protesters were decending upon DC on Jan 6, a date they damn well knew was significant due to Trump's big lie, they decided that a couple of thousand Capitol police offercers could handle it on their own.

 

I see. Thanks. So this is based largely on an estimate of on the books taxes being paid by folks here from other countries without authorization using fake social security numbers for 2010 into FICA and out of FICA. $13B in and $1B out, net $12B, all estimated because our financial system isn't quite sci-fi tight yet.

These numbers are from 2010, for which the CBO reports $865B total FICA taxes, so this amount is about 1.4% of the total estimated to be paid into the fund under false social security IDs.

Still waiting for Doof to answer my question whether or not he'd be willing to really do something to stop illegals by tightening up our finances with going to a fully audited cashless society. Nobody would be coming here if they couldn't make money.

 

There is an estimation element in taxes paid with fake Social Security, but the majority is paid with ITIN (Individual Taxpayers Identification Number). Which is a substitute for Social Security number. It is intended for foreign nationals who don't have Social Security but doesn't require the applicant to state their immigration status. In reality this means it's basically for undocumented immigrants. In 2015, for example, over $13.7 billion were paid using ITIN

 

That doesn't make sense to me. Legitimate income taxes paid under ITIN numbers assigned to folks on legitimate visas do not have to pay FICA, do they? My previous link for H2-B visa holders for example states that they do not pay FICA. Anyway, I think the proposed Trump wall was a stupid idea. Airplanes? Hello? Boats? Hello? Mexico will pay for it? Hello? As Rex said of Trump, so I say of those that continue to support him and his whacked bull$hit: f ing morons.

 

ITIN doesn't ask if the applicant has legitimate visas or not.

Sure. But that's not what I'm talking about. Temporary agricultural workers who hold a visa are here legally.

I agree that Trump's wall was most definitely an idiotic idea.

 

Ah, so the ITIN filings just generically collect FICA fees as well then?