40 Percent of U.S. COVID Deaths Could Have Been Averted If It Weren't for Trump: Report

Odd Biden's right on track to hit 450,000 by November, what's Biden doing different? So far he's got 96,000 in 2 months.

 

Complete BS - Nations like Canada locked down - and they got the wave go through the population .. as did nations in Europe.

Pseudo-Science and ridiculous blather in hind sight.

Any fool can predict the past ..

 

The main difference between U.S. and Canada is 1,000 deaths per 1M pop;

26 FEB.....U.S. Covid19 deaths per 1M pop; 1,578
26 FEB.....Canada Covid19 deaths per 1M pop; 578

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In addition, U.S. and Canada's Case Fatality Rate will soon be at par;

26 FEB.....U.S. Case Fatality Rate; 1.80%
26 FEB.....Canada's Case Fatality Rate; 2.55%
A difference of 0.75%

U.S. Daily Cases/Daily Deaths CFR; 2.56%
Canada's Daily Cases/Daily Deaths CFR; 1.42%

Thus, U.S. CFR is going up, and Canada's CFR is coming down.....(will soon be at par)

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Thus, near the same CFR, and a difference of 1,000 deaths per 1M pop

The question is; WTF happened?

1. CDC screw ups........Canada had no testing kit screw ups
2. Nation-wide protests.......Canada had no nation-wide protests
3. Several States re-opened their economies at a high positivity rate......Canadian provinces re-opened their economies at a low posititivity rate.
4. U.S. had a Summer Wave........Canada had no summer wave, and continued lowering their daily cases to near zero
5. Social distancing rules and wearing masks were adhered by a near majority......In Canada, by a huge majority.

CONCLUSION; 1,000 deaths per 1M pop were PREVENTABLE

1,000 deaths X 331 = 331,000 PREVENTABLE deaths

Thus, at least 40 Percent of U.S. COVID Deaths Could Have Been Averted

 

That's an "at LEAST" figure. I recall estimates as 86% though I can't cite them.
INADB my very limited knowledge of epidemiology says this really shouldn't have gotten out of China and that it did was due largely to Trump's hostile attitude to the Chinese and hatred of science. (the Chinese have this huge population and diseases mutate in it on a weekly if not daily basis. International cooperation there is totally necessary to keep diseases in check but Trump treats the idea of cooperation with anyone, and particularly the Chinese, as an insult to his hilariously mushroom-shaped bronze manhood)

 

You are making some gross assumptions - for example - comparing the Canadian Population to the US - there are differences among nations ..

Next - and a big one - is if you look at international travel - this is much bigger to the US than in Canada ..and this is of course how it was spread initially .. The US - due to the huge amount of international travel .. had a huge number exposed before anyone knew what was up..

upwards of 90% of people who get covid are asymptomatic .. and obviously will infect a whole lot of people very quickly.

You are throwing out a few stats and making assumptions on the basis of those stats which are flawed. There are many variables happening at the same time . Look what happened in Italy . Boom - like wildfire .. and in a few other places like Spain were bad .. but many were not ..

Are there people running out and blaming the Italy's leader ... No .. this thing hit hard and fast - and we were chasing it from the beginning ...

and as it turns out .. folks are going to get this thing anyway .. by hook or by crook .. in the normal numbers of a Flue.

Another thing that your stat's do not consider is that the initial version of the thing was more deadly .. so those that got it early were at a higher risk

 

Sorry, I'm not going to trust any journal that blames Trump for covid deaths when also claiming that he's responsible for non-covid "unnecessary" deaths in 2018. Seems to me that they had a conclusion in mind and then worked towards that conclusion. Which is junk science.

 

So, you haven't heard about the increase in suicides? You haven't seen the billions worth of dollars of economic impact? All caused by covid lockdowns.

 

Your Quote: You are making some gross assumptions - for example - comparing the Canadian Population to the US - there are differences among nations

HORSE MANURE!.......In reference to testing, how many times Trump compared the U.S. and South Korea?



Your Quote: Next - and a big one - is if you look at international travel - this is much bigger to the US than in Canada.

I SUGGEST YOU study Canada's international flights, paid passengers, to and from.....LIKE I DID! And then, compare.

 

Claim; ''Lockdowns have caused MORE harm than the virus itself'

It's an opinion, not a fact.

 

I think Trump f’d up the Covid response beyond all recognition

 

Oh! Come on!

VIETNAM did better than America!

 

Yes we “locked down” and we have done that proportionately, locally and short term every outbreak

Result - we have not had to lock down near as much as you

 

He is following the Pandemic playbook Which is why numbers are now falling

 

Well to begin with,

Deaths per 1 million population
Belgium: 1896
UK: 1801
Italy: 1614
United States: 1579
Spain: 1478
France: 1321

And Russia and China are showing amazingly low numbers which are justifiably suspect and impossible to verify.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And secondly, there is zero evidence that a Democratic president would have had better numbers. Biden made a statement right after Trump stopped travel from China with a thinly veiled shot at that decision, saying there was no need to resort to "hysterical xenophobia", and Nancy Pelosi invited everyone to come to Chinatown, shop, eat, and enjoy themselves.

At first, nobody understood the virulence and lethality of this virus. And, as we know, China didn't help. We've had Asian flues before, but nothing like this.

I cannot be persuaded that a Democratic president would have had lower numbers.

But, yes ... Trump said a number of dumb things about the virus.

Seth

 

I don't care what Trump did - you are ignoring major differences -and show know awareness of how viruses operate - never mind statistical comparison .. Tell me about international flights compared to say New York .. and then look at relative infection rates on the basis of New York vs Toronto

then look at the time -line New York was hit way earlier -

There are way many assumptions you have not considered .. too many to count .. and you are not talking sensibly - giving numbers - evidence and so on. There are relevant questions to be asked .. some of which I detailed - off the top of my head -- never mind doing a deep dive. You had not asked any of them .. so lets stop trying to pretend who is fooling who.

 

I'm growing tired of changing people's diapers!

INDISPUTABLE FACTS;

Indisputable fact # 1. From Mid February to Mid March, per capita, Canada had more confirmed Covid19 cases than the U.S.

U.S.

Feb 15.......15 cases
Feb 20.......15 cases
Feb 25........57 cases
Feb 29........68 cases
Mar 05........221 cases
Mar 10........994 cases
Mar 15........3,829 cases

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Canada

Feb 15........8 cases
Feb 20........8 cases
Feb 25........11 cases
Feb 29........20 cases
Mar 05........37 cases
Mar 10........95 cases
Mar 15........341 cases........per capita, U.S. surpassed Canada's cumulative confirmed cases

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/

Thus, WTF happened?

MAIN REASON; CDC's testing screw ups

Question; Due to international travelling? NO! NO! NO!

Indisputable fact # 2; The Canadian government NEVER banned any flights FROM and TO China........AND IRONICALLY; TRUMP; ''My China travel ban saved hundreds of thousands of lives''

Indisputable fact # 3; PER CAPITA/PER 1M POP, and compared to JFK/LGA/EWR/SWF combined, there are more international paid passengers, TO and FROM Toronto Pearson International Airport.

Number of International passengers, 2019

a. Toronto International Airport; 18.2 million international passengers,

https://www.torontopearson.com/en/corporate/partnering-with-us/air-services/airport-and-market-facts

b. Port Authority of New York, 2019

2019 Annual international passengers, JFK/LGA/EWR/SWF combined; 51 million international passengers

https://www.panynj.gov/airports/en/statistics-general-info.html

 

Why do so many people place any value at all on manipulated numbers?

Why do so few people understand garbage in = garbage out? Maybe they just don't want to have to think about it?

 

Oh! I doubt that you would have had so many deaths under a different president



Rwanda has done better than the USA!

 

We also had a warning from Australia........Australia's Fall/Winter Covid19 surge

For anyone's info, Australia's seasons are at opposite times to those in the northern hemisphere. December to February is summer; March to May is autumn; June to August is winter; and September to November is spring.

THUS, ONLY TWO COUNTRIES had a Summer Wave, U.S. and Peru

 

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QUESTION: Mister Pro-Sweden Herd, were Sweden's numbers manipulated?

Yes or No, and why?

This time answer my question instead of evading it.

 

Did someone dispute your "Facts" ? We know the rate in the US was higher ..

Unfortunately - we are discussing Trump's responsibility - and posting the fact that the rate was less in some other nation - or more in another nation - does not make Trump responsible.

You have not made an argument .. just posted some statistics.

 

Have you considered how I might know the answers to your questions?

Do you think I live in Sweden? Do you think I am a Swedish statistician? I'm not.

Like you, I can speculate. I'm betting Sweden's numbers were not manipulated, and I bet that way because from the start of this fiasco Sweden has no reason to lie. They effectively thumbed their nose at their European neighbors and the rest of the world.

By their actions, they blew the whistle on the official narrative. I admire them for that, and their philosophy turned out to be the correct approach.

Are you happy now?

 

Next question;

Were Canada's numbers manipulated, yes or no, and why?

 

Same answer, Einstein. I don't live in Canada.