40 Percent of U.S. COVID Deaths Could Have Been Averted If It Weren't for Trump: Report

Quote; You have not made an argument

Of course I did!

ONCE AGAIN, compared to Canada, hundreds of thousands of deaths were PREVENTABLE

Reason # 1.....CDC Screw ups
Reason # 2.....Nation-wide protest
Reason # 3.....Relaxing prevention guidelines/rules on Memorial Long Weekend
Reason # 4.... Many States re-opened their economies at a high positivity rate
Reason # 5.....At preventing the spread of Covid19, Canadians were collectively and individually more responsible'' than Americans.

Results;

U.S. Covid19 deaths per 1M pop; 1579
Canada's Covid19 deaths per 1M pop; 579
A difference of 1,000 deaths per 1M pop

 

Your quote: I'm betting Sweden's numbers were not manipulated, and I bet that way because from the start of this fiasco Sweden has no reason to lie

Well, I'm betting Canada's numbers were not manipulated, and I bet that way because from the start of this fiasco Canada has no reason to lie

Thus, who's right, and where do we go from here?

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For your info, and according to my research;

Percent of Covid19 total deaths, LTC and Retirement homes;

Canada; 73%
Sweden; Near the same rate

HOWEVER

Canada's Covid19 deaths per 1M pop; 579
Sweden's Covid19 deaths per 1M pop; 1,265
A difference of 686 deaths per 1M pop

 

You put it far more kindly than I would.

 

We all understand that the death rate in the US was higher in the beginning. This does not prove that these deaths were preventable sans hindsight .. and any fool can predict the past.

You have not shown that any of your reasons would have made a significant difference - especially over the long term .. but further .. even if some of these steps would have made a difference .. we did not know this at the time.

So all you are claiming is "But we know now" = Yes .. we know now that the ball landed on 21 - and yes .. if you would have put your money on that number you would have won.

and you say . look I'm Right - I'm Right on this basis No .. you are not right .. you are engaging in self delusion ... and fallacy .. as your claim that Trump was responsible assumes that he knew the number would be 21 prior to placing the bet.

 

Well then, we should ask China not to start a pandemic during an election year!

BTW, if it were not for Trump, they would have gone the usual bureaucratic route and never even considered an "Operation Warp Speed" financially incentivizing vaccine makers to get bust, get in high gear, or else!
We would still be in testing phase as the bureaucracy creeps along.

 

Quote: "'as your claim that Trump was responsible......''

My claim???????

WTF you're talking about?......In this thread, I never mentioned TRUMP

Thus, what the hell is wrong with you?

 

The thread topic is that Trump is responsible - I am arguing against this premise - and you are arguing against me.

but - if you are not arguing for the premise of the OP -- what are you arguing ?

 

Several times, I stated that hundreds of thousands of Covid19 deaths were preventable, PERIOD!

And I stated the reasons.

 

So do you think Trump was responsible for thousands of deaths for not preventing these deaths .. or not.

That is the topic of the OP - and topic under discussion .. one that you seem blissfully unaware of.

 

Dirty Donnnie the Superspreader Seditionist Swamp Thing is responsible for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of deaths of US citizens due to his failure to use his authority, his ignorance and his absurd lust for personal power.

He should be tried for Crimes Against Humanity in the ICC.

 

Simple: Trump wanted to put us into a fantasyland of Wishful Thinking. That's all there is to it.

 

Beyond ignorant. Guess what even the toughest states with hard lockdowns and mask spread as bad if not worse than those that didn't. Trump tried to stop the rioting with National Guard yet lefties cried, Trump gave you the same damn guidence that you have to today you know six feet wash your hands yet lefties cried, Somehow we didn't get close to any 20 million infected and 2 million deaths yet lefties cry.

Biden is responsible for every case and death since the 2nd week in January yet lefties cheer. Biden gives you the same thing Trump did and lefties cheer. I don't see a federal mask mandate, I don't see a federal lock down, I don't see any damn thing different than the first day we heard about the Wuhan virus period. The ignorance, no the lunacy of the lefties trying to blame a highly contagious virus on a President if just partisan hack politics. Nobody stopped this thing, lockdowns didn't stop this thing, masks haven't stopped this thing, lefties still voted, lefties still eat, and lefties sure liked to protest and riot right in the middle of the pandemic.

 

While I think it's probably impossible to put a real number on it, there is certainly a percentage of the deaths that could have been avoided if Donald Trump in his messaging had taken the virus seriously. We all know there are millions of Americans who look to charlatans like Trump for guidance(for some unknown reason). When they see their chosen sage poopooing the safety guidelines, it only empowers them to do the same.

Many of their lives, and the lives those folks may have gone on to infect, could have potentially been spared.

 

Sorry I just don't buy it, NY and Cali were locking down making mandates right and left, shutting business down and it didn't work. We had the guidelines yet lefties protested all summer. The only thing fixing this was the vaccine and those not giving Trump credit for that are the same ones that aren't blaming the cases and deaths since the 3rd week of January on Biden. Partisan politics at its finest.

We are a free country, we will not accept our government shutting down our lives, our livelihood, or our hope for very long. If it was 2 weeks incubation period it should've stopped at NY's hard shutdown, it didn't it grew. If a mask would have saved you then it would've slowed when every state in the union had a mask mandate, it didn't it grew. Many more have died for our freedoms throughout our history and it's in our blood to accept risk to live free. Every day we choose what risk we want to take, that's what makes us free, that's what makes the US the greatest country on the planet.

 

Welcome to the great state of NEW YORK !

Safest state in the country. Back down to 5% positive. Handing out vaccines as fast as they show up.

 

We didn't and were never going to have the vaccines before we had them. From March until November there were none. The only countermeasures we had at that point were safety guidelines, and that's why it was of the utmost importance that they be followed. Trump was completely detrimental for this effort.

And if you think the protestors get a pass, you're wrong. They were out there doing exactly what they shouldn't have been. Yes, there are those on the left who overlooked those protesting. Those people are idiots and they were wrong. I'm right here right now telling you that it was no better for people to be protesting than it was for them to go to Sturges or other gatherings. You can either accept this information, or you can deflect back on to idiots who don't again.

Yes yes yes we have been reminded of just how grown up and mature some of the citizens of our free country are, and what they're not going to stand for or be inconvenienced by. I know I've got my buffer full of American macho stupidity. All of the conditions you just listed in here are wrong. You do not have a working understanding of the virus nor what it takes to actually contain it. Spread was inevitable. The speed of the spread is what could be controlled. But you can't do that when you have a sizable percentage of the population too focused on their own macho bullshit to help with it.

We get that it's a free country. With great freedom comes great responsibility. So drop the macho nonsense and help protect it and the people who live in it!

 

Painfully watching MSNBC and laughing as they are going back a year ago, quoting Trump about his reluctance to take Covid serious enough, while IGNORING Democrat leaders like Pelosi and Cuomo saying the same damn things. Claiming how Biden was so serious while IGNORING that he called Trump racist for banning travel from China.

It’s just so pathetic and sad what is passed off as news.

 

I quit watching MSM news in October, and it's been a big improvement in my quality of life and peace of mind.

 

I can’t do it on a regular basis, but I pop it on just to be aware of what they’re doing. It’s just incredible.

 

Going through the channels last weekend I happened upon Newsmax and Michelle Malkin. I was very impressed with how knowledgeable she was on the Covid situation especially the 'vaccine' angle.