What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

    41 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

    16 vote(s)
    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

    5 vote(s)
    5.8%
  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    White people in the US do not have an abortion rate that much higher than Canada.
     
  2. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You missed my point. I didn't want to get into an argument with you about whether Hispanic Cubans are white.
    That could be highly contentious and complicated.
     
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  3. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    This is just pure ignorance. Canada is absolutely NOT a third world country.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was referring to the US. I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

    The US, itself, is like two separate countries existing in parallel, in many ways.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    More racism.

    Please consider that poverty is a real issue.

    The fact that we have a serious problem with equality in America is not an excuse.

    Do you think the wealthy have a problem with health care so serious that they choose to abort?

    Please get the HECK off your racism direction.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look at the statistics.

    It's you who want to try to compare between two different countries.
     
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  7. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you agree with my contention that the US is not like a "typical" First World country?
     
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    OK.

    We do have a serious problem with equality in this country. We've even grown a serious white supremacist movement dedicated to making that problem more serious.

    In fact, the Republican party has FULLY embraced this direction, even to the point of states introducing HUNDREDS of bill designed to disenfranchise voters they hate.

    We even have a Supreme Court that sees democracy as less important than allowing states to use state power to disenfranchise US citizens they hate.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What the actual cause of that inequality is, and what solutions might work, is the topic of a different discussion.


    Let's try to stay on topic, please.
     
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    I absolutely reject every single thing you have stated regarding this topic.

    You need to float back to reality.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Likewise.
     
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    You can see from statistics that we have a major element of race based inequality. We even have the FBI telling us that white supremacy has reached a serious threat level of domestic terrorism.

    But, stats also show that the decisions of individuals has to do with poverty, which includes all races.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh please :roll:
    A highly politicized FBI.

    Why are you trying to take this argument about abortion off-topic?
     
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    YOU are the one who went racist.

    And, you did so in multiple posts.

    If you stop going there, I won't see posts that I have to respond to. But, I will respond.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's fair game, in response to arguments you try to use about abortion.


    (besides, isn't it true that the racists are more likely to side with abortion proponents? but that's another topic)
     
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    Well, it looks like this thread is winding to a close. Will we finally resolve the age-old abortion debate once and for all, before this thread gets to page 100 (and the moderators shut it down) ?
     
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    It's VERY relevant. It demonstrates why women should not be charged if they have an abortion if abortion was banned.
     
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    The point is that neither one of them is about violating a woman's right to be a parent.
     
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    I'm not telling a woman what she does or doesn't need. @Ritter is! He said that women don't need to murder their child.
     
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    Well, the woman thinks she's in a high & mighty position to tell the fetus it doesn't need life.

    We're not talking about just any women here, we are talking about women who already pulled that with someone else.
     
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    Doesn't change the fact that you wouldn't be saying that the LAW is all that counts if the LAW made abortion illegal!
     
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    All of the women I know wouldn't kill their born kids, just like all women who are SANE.
     
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    You believe it's "totalitarian insanity" to tell a woman she can't have an endless number of abortions?

    (Even if most of those are later-term ones?)

    How about she can have a bazillion abortions before 8 weeks, but after 8 or 10 weeks we start keeping track?
     
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    No, not ALL. Many are able to think for themselves and therefore discover that their unborn child has some value and shouldn't be killed.

    When did I say that they NEED a man's approval?

    So are we.
     
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    But some people DO need to kill their unborn child?
     

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