Why? What TF does that have to do with : FoxHastings said: ↑ It isn't temporary, the effects of pregnancy last a lifetime no matter what YOU think... Or those who can never have a baby again because of past gestation...??????
YES, those that are BORN are above those not born. The ONLY time abortion relates to slavery is when Anti-Choicers want to enslave pregnant women by forcing them to gestate....
Well, they will have a baby. Think about it, that won't really change anything, would it? Only the timetables. (If she has a baby again when she wants it, that same woman probably won't be able to have babies after that)
Having a child is temporary? You must not have kids Is death temporary? Yes, she had *gasp* sex! That’s the issue here Most of the pro-fetus arguments eventually boil down to punishing the woman. Would you agree to giving all men a vasectomy and we can end the issue right now? Why not?
Support is the wrong word. I don’t support abortion but it is better than the alternative. I have no issues with metrics being kept.
Okay, thank you, that's more than the majority of pro-choicers can concede. At least we could all know what's happening, and how much, if any, blatant flat out abuse of this freedom is going on.
It can't be used as a weapon if no problem exists in the first place. You claim abuse (in the later stages of pregnancy) is very very rare. Do you still want to stick to that claim?
It's not a loaded question. You just don't like the logical conclusion of it, ousting you as being an approver of killing living humans who have committed no crime nor expressed any desire to die. In any society that has ever existed, that is one morally SICK position to take...
I'm just saying maybe let's keep records after 12 or 14 weeks. Then feed them into a publicly available statistics database, without revealing any names of specific women.
I'm not talking about "persons"; I'm talking about "humans". Bingo. As long as something is of our species, then it is "human". My point exactly. ... you would also check for a pulse, would you not?
If they would do this to a fetus they would also do it to the mentally challenged. There IS NO REAL DIFFERENCE ! A human brain is a human brain.
Sure thing! My original question is as follows: Do you approve of the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime and has not expressed any desire to die? Ritter, Fox, and Will have already shown that they consider a human to be "of the homo sapien species" and that they consider a human "with the presence of a heartbeat" (such as you and I) to be "living" or "alive". From there, my question leads them into a logical conclusion that they wish to skate around and not accept, since the approval of such a thing is considered to be morally reprehensible.
The UNCHERRY PICKED POSTS: kazenatsu said: ↑ Why don't you talk to women who have post-abortion regrets?"""""" FoxHastings Why? What TF does that have to do with : FoxHastings said: ↑ It isn't temporary, the effects of pregnancy last a lifetime no matter what YOU think... kazenatsu:Or those that can never have a baby again, due to their past abortion(s).""" Click to expand... FoxHastings: Or those who can never have a baby again because of past gestation...?????? So? Gestation can end a woman's ability to reproduce and kill her. That last part is absolute gibberish...
Then she'll never have a baby ever again, no matter the circumstances, will she? I don't see what your point was here in this discussion. We were talking about a woman not being able to have another baby because of abortion or pregnancy. No, your reasoning isn't making logical sense.
The answer is no because a fetus is not A human as in legal person. WE look bad??? No, those who want to destroy women's rights are the ones who look bad....and are bad
I never called it abuse - you did. The data that is available says that it is very rare. If you have alternate data I would be happy to consider it.
You know what I was referring to. You said it didn't happen - that it was very very rare. I meant of the abortions that do happen later, the percent of those that were not for medically justified reasons.
The obvious point, which you refuse to acknowledge , is that it is the WOMAN'S decision on what risk to take....NOT YOURS.
Of course, it does become at least a bit easier to argue for taking away that choice, if she's making a bad choice. So you can't say that's totally not part of the argument, in any way. Or is your whole argument going to specifically be that women have the right to make the wrong choice? (for them and their developing fetus)
What crime did the woman commit that it is acceptable for the state to force her to carry a fetus ti term (ignoring her health, finances, career and life) and then demanding she care for it until her death?
