Judge Orders Arizona GOP to Pay Up for Filing ‘Groundless’ Lawsuit Challenging 2020 Election Results

You hit the mail on the head. The trump cult has the gop by the shorthairs and they are too scared to stand up to his violent, seditious mob.

 

You have that backwards. The lawsuits are what caused the massive public distrust, even though they all were bull **** and filled with lies.

But they know that people like you will fall for it every time.

 

Trump began and kept the Big Lie going.

Hopefully he'll be found guilty of that and sedition

 

A report indicated that Russia was involved, but not China.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again here. Trump knew that with a loss all of his court cases and financials were going to be made public and go hot. His new PAC is one that allows him to use it for personal expenses but I should think will be safe from being taken in civil and criminal courts, it's not actually his money but only he can authorize it's spending. Great gig.

 

I think the judge didn't launch an investigation about whether or not there was enough voter fraud to change the election results. He had no business making such a ruling simply because he viewed the suit as "groundless." On the other hand it was stupid on the part of the republicans to attempt to change the election results with a lawsuit. The case should never have seen the light of day in the first place. It embarrassing to me that his stuff even happened. Politics is as ugly as humanity gets.

 

It is not the judge's job to launch an investigation, it is his job to rule on the evidence presented to him. That is what he did.

It is not the fault of the judge the GOP lacks any actual evidence at all.

 

I wasn't on those other threads so for the purpose of this thread you have----nothing buy empty rhetoric

 

I disagree. If a judge does not somehow initiate an investigation, then most oftentimes (almost always) no investigation will be launched.
Who else is connected to that case who has official powers to be able to launch an investigation?

I'm not saying judges do this very often, but if they are not responsible, who is?
And how can a private party even be able petition for an investigation, in a fair and procedural way?

 

You are correct but there would be no way to prove evidence without first investigating it. Since that didn't happen they might as well have saved the judge's time.

I agree. They shouldn't have bothered. If they really care they should investigate it now and bring it court when that is completed.

 

Judges never launch an investigation... that's the job of the cops and DA.

 

Then it is impossible to petition for justice.

For one thing, it is extremely difficult for a private party to be able to even gain access to petition a district attorney.

 

Judges have no mechanism for launching an investigation. That is entirely up to the plaintiffs to do, and bring evidence of their claims. Trumps legal team failed over 60 times to provide any evidence for their claims, which is why they lost every single time in court. And as you are aware, every investigation into the matter has shown you that no fraud occurred.

 

judges have no mechanism or ability to initiate investigations. That is up to the plaintiff.

The plaintiff.

judges never do this, as they have no mechanism to.

through the discovery process.

 

Judges sign off on investigations by issuing search warrants, subpoenas, compelling deposition testimony, etc.

The findings of these investigations are what is presented at trial. You can't show up empty handed and make demands.

 

That's kind of flawed. It's basically just subpoena-ing people to give you recorded documents or tell you information.
That can only go so far. It's certainly not really an investigation.

I do understand what you're saying, and half agree with you there.

Even in that situation that judge would still have a clear responsibility to punish people that were thought to be lying, to try to make sure they were telling the truth and giving all the information.
If the "discovery process", as you put it, is not treated like an investigation, there is no justice.

 

uh, which is an investigation.

it is by definition, an investigation.

What I'm saying is how the judicial system in this country works. Judges do not, because they can not, initiate investigations.

 

First, in court you have to have standing. If you don't know what that is, you don't belong on this thread. Second, you have to have a case. Third, you have to have evidence to support your case. You, as an attorney, show up in court and waste the courts time by lacking any one of these elements and you will be lucky if you are only yelled at.

 

How is a judge going to initiate an investigation? Can they order a particular agency to investigate? Do they even have that authority.

It happens all the time, that is how most cases are done. And there were all sorts of investigations into this election. Multiple states even held pseudo-hearings over the matter and had people give unsworn testimony.

 

It was investigated by those filing the suit.

 

but the judge does not initiate such things.

 

not sure if you meant to quote me for this reply or not? If so, I have no idea what this has to do with anything I said?

 

No, they don't. Investigations are the sole responsibility of the plaintiff.

 

They will probably get an assistant to help them, maybe someone who has experience. And then the judge would sign off on anything the assistant needed help with. Like issuing subpoenas, or holding individuals in contempt to make sure they comply. Or referring illegal things that are uncovered for prosecution. And sending letters to legislative committees if a prosecutor does not take up those prosecutions. (A judge has much more sway with prosecutors than any private party would)