The AR-15 follies: Here we go again!

It isn’t really. There are just as good or better weapons if mass casualties are the goal.

And use in a few crimes is irrelevant. Criminal use is a statistical anomaly when you consider how many are in use for legal pursuits.

Your irrational fear is not justification for banning something so useful that is used so rarely for criminal activity.

 

First, I think that it's important to clarify that we both want the same things: fewer homicides.....Right?
We just disagree on how homicides can best be reduced without eviscerating the 2nd Amendment.

Secondly, I don't think that its constructive to misrepresent the views of either the Left or the Right even though there are, indeed, people on the Right who feel almost anyone should have access to firearms at any time, most are content with the existing 20,000 gun laws that are either unenforced or under enforced.

On the other hand, some on the Left have a cultivated and irrational fear of all guns and want them all confiscated; insidiously & incrementally if necessary but still confiscated. (that slippery slope).

For an example of the many laws that are under enforced, of the 112,000 who lied on the Federal “Firearms Transaction Record” about their criminal record, mental fitness, military record etc, only 12 were prosecuted.
It only takes a little common sense to deduce that those 110,000+ unfit people continued their search until they became unfit firearm owners but the BATF and Justice department only prosecuted 12 of those unfit gun owners.(1)

Why?

There are already plenty of tools (i.e. "common sense gun laws") already in place, it's just that lazy and dishonest politicians and bureaucrats would rather crank out more feel-good-do-nothing "common sense gun laws for the children" than do the hard and unpopular work of enforcing those existing laws that vex their criminal constituency.

It's much easier to blame that scary gun than it is to ask people to take responsibility for their own actions, the actions of their children and their own crime ridden community.
That doesn't get you votes.
Demonizing an inanimate object and promising a crusade against it does.



(1) "Lie on a firearms background form? What have you got to lose?"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/opin...ground-check-prosecutions-20180914-story.html

 

The M1 Garand is, unquestionably, a weapon of war.

 

And you won’t ever be one step closer to gun control either. Let me tell you something you **** for Brains ********er, I lost friends fighting for this country. 37 brothers in two tours with 3rd marines, mostly in Fallujah. We all volunteered to serve our country because we believed in each other and in the idea that we are free men in a free country. We didn’t go through all that to come back and be told by ********er like you what we can and can’t own. So you can take your gun control and go straight to ****ing hell you liberal piece of ****. You won’t ever take a single gun from any of are hands ever and we will fight you communist pieces of **** for the soul of our country. I have the combined force of every marine brother I’ve ever known. What the **** do you have? I know your ***** ass won’t be stacking up on doors. You know while you won’t ever get what you want? Because your afraid to put your own **** on the line. And that’s why this country will remain free even for shitty ****s like you.

 

Well it is a fine weapon for sure. I liked them enough to buy one myself. I later sold it to a former Army Lt. who appreciated them as well.

A Bayonete is also a war weapon. Would we ban knives due to that?

 

The Garand has some nice characteristics. It definitely can be used as a hunting weapon. The weight however favors other lighter rifles. A good many hunt who are not excellent marksmen. A Semi Automatic allows them to try a few times more to hit the animal on the run.

 

Jackknives are used in war too. But they aren't what most people are thinking of when they refer to weapons of war.

 

And most of them are regulated also.

 

Look, the military spends a significant amount of time testing weapons against those used by our opponents in conflicts around the world. The full auto AK47 was eating the lunch of the select fire version of the m14 in conflicts. Enter the AR15. It’s a weapon of war. The original AR15 was a designed replacement as a survival weapon for the air force. It had select fire. It seems some of you don’t think the Air Force fought in any wars......

 

Firearm have Regs on the books in states and in the Fed (specific weapon types) that have not been overturned that require universal background checks.

Firearms have always been regulated. The goal is to make it harder for unqualified peoples to posses firearms. ASAMOF, in states like Illinois, it’s now EASIER for law abiding citizens to buy firearms and ammunition privately and in firearm stores because of universal background checks.

By legally obtaining a purchase card or weapons permit which requires one back ground check between renewal times, they don’t need a BACK GROUND check at every purchase. It’s just, show the the card with another ID and go to the head of the line.

A similar federal regulation would enhance the rights of qualified individuals. The courts have always upheld the rights of states and municipalities to regulate firearms. This supports legal firearm purchases. AAMOF, IMO, it lessons the pressure on states to pass “assault rifle “ legislation.

 

Nah. Not any more regulated than AR’s in a “normal” state.

 

There are seven states that do and a plethora of municipalities in the last ten years that regulate them . I don’t know what you mean by “normal state”. But these are semiauto AR15 platform firearms .

You somehow fail to acknowledge that states have the ability to regulate too according to the constitution. Since Heller, NONE. Has been overturned.

 

So? Has nothing to do with what I’ve posted. The fact remains the AR is not unique. It’s just a gun. No different than many others. You just have an emotional “attachment” to it for some reason.

 

Mass shooters seem to think so. They along with high cap pistols are the weapons of choice. The idea it can be so easily adapted with a bump stock is apparently an easy aid to rapid fire.
There are a bunch of semi auto in this caliber that can be converted to AR15 configuration. Read the laws.....along with being semi auto, they just need 2 of three other characteristics, one being high capacity mags.

imo, there would be fewer regulations on this weapon if we had universal background checks.

 

It’s “ just a gun” until over 400 people in one incident by one person gets shot with one.

 

If your solution is to arm more people including literally, anyone who can answer an add or pick up a phone it’s not worth consideration. I have a permit. They are easy to get for qualified people. No one should be allowed to possess a firearm off their own property without one. It’s not magic.

 

Apparently, we both agree that "unfit" individuals should not have possession of especially lethal firearms but what concerns me is the fickle and potentially corrupt nature of the bureaucracy that determines who should be allowed which firearms.

As you must know, there are numerous people who have irrational fears of firearms and feel that no one should have them except for the police, the military and their own personal bodyguards.

As I mentioned earlier, some on the Left have a cultivated and irrational fear of all guns and want them all confiscated; insidiously & incrementally if necessary but still confiscated. (that slippery slope). Regrettably, many of those same individuals are in positions of power both nationally and in my home state of Virginia. The most disingenuous of them claim to be "proud gun owners" who "fully support the 2nd Amendment.

I and millions like me have good reason not to trust these same individuals with our clearly defined 2nd Amendment rights when it comes to issuing a "weapons permit".

I already showed in my previous Post # 777 that the 20,000 existing gun laws are not being enforced and even gave a shocking example.

Why not simply enforce existing laws rather than encumber Americans with additional layers of fickle bureaucracy?

 

Well that has never happened. LOL

Of course you are welcome to produce evidence of any shooting where 400 people were shot.

 

The majority opinion refers to Heller as a “qualified” person. He has to be qualified in order that DC must issue a permit to him to possess an operative handgun in the home. The opinion is very specific. about the the 2a not being absolute and the individual in question being qualified. Qualification has to do with age, mental status and criminal record. It’s back ground material available to every federal firearms dealer.
Without this decision as held it would be a fking zoo if the courts ever threw down qualifications for any of your rights. Forget firearms, people could access and distribute any fking thing they want, they could make any public claims about anyone with impunity.

 

You’re right, it was more, I stand corrected. Over 800 total injured in the attack 411 by gun fire.
Las Vegas: Oct. 1, 2017

Victims: 58 dead, more than 400 plus wounded
Shooter: Stephen Paddock, 64. Found dead
Motive: Unknown
Stephen Craig Paddock (April 9, 1953 – October 1, 2017) was an American mass murderer who is known for being the perpetrator of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, in which he opened fire into a crowd of approximately 22,000 concertgoers attending a country music festival on the Las Vegas Strip. The incident is the deadliest mass shooting by a lone shooter in United States history, with 61 fatalities (including Paddock) and 867 injuries, 411 of them by gunfire. Paddock committed suicide in his hotel room shortly after the shooting. Paddock lived in Mesquite, Nevada, and was a real-estate investor, property manager, retired accountant, amateur pilot, and avid video poker gambler.

 

Well, it’s not my fault mass killers are stupid as well as evil. I’m glad they are stupid though. If they weren’t they could do a lot more damage—even without any firearm.

Maybe you missed it but bump stocks are illegal. They have no relevance to this discussion. If poorly simulated automatic fire is so effective at killing, why was most of your practice shooting in the military semiautomatic aimed fire? You are now contradicting yourself. I’m beginning do doubt your claims of military experience at this point. This inconsistency on use cases and efficacy of semiautomatic vs. full auto is not a mistake someone with combat training would make.

What’s an AR-15 configuration? Are you one of those guys that think birdcage flash hiders, adjustable stocks, and bayonet lugs make a weapon more deadly? LOL I suppose someone who doesn’t know the difference between a full auto BCG and a semi auto BCG may think so.

 

Not nearly that many shot. LOL

You guys will believe anything the media tells you. Hilarious.

 

411 gun shot wounds...800 injured.you were there ? The police give out information. It’s public.

 

You’re the one who can’t read. I never claimed it made the weapon an automatic. I said it was an aid to rapid fire rate.

if you dont know the difference, it’s you who have no experience.
Then you go on making up sht and bloviating just to troll.

 

Now that you know it did happen, it’s you who are living in a bubble of denial.