Christianity simple explained

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    It's completely unimportant do you believe in afterlife or not.
    The moment will come 100%, don't worry.
    We Christians believe Jesus saves us from everlasting punishment and death.
    It's your decision, to believe or not, you can't change anything or stop reality.

     
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    Yes, Christianity says that belief in Jesus is a requirement for blissful everlasting life.

    But, in Matthew 25:31-end Jesus points out that those who follow him do have another absolute requirement - a requirement where failure will be punished by damnation, even for his own followers.

    I do not believe one can describe Christianity without addressing the fact of the incredibly strong requirements Jesus laid out on penalty of eternal damnation.

    It's easy to tell people they have to believe Jesus.

    It's not so easy to change ones own life to measure up to the requirements that Jesus himself laid down for Christians to follow.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe you will have many many lifetimes to learn from - the end is not the end, just another beginning

    but as I was raised Christian, I get that many Christians think they can only be happy in the afterlife if they worship the Abrahamic God and if they do not, they face everlasting punishment
     
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    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    This world is run by Satan, Christians have citizenship of heaven, of course we believe we will be more happy in Paradise as on the Earth
     
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    According to Jesus in Matthew 25, Christians have an OPPORTUNITY for heaven - not citizenship.
     
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    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

    Philippians 3:20
     
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    That does not claim that there is no way to revoke your citizenship - such as the method spelled out so explicitly by Jesus in Matthew 25:31-end.
     
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    I believe Christians believe it when they say the only way to escape eternal damnation in Hell is to worship their God and his mysterious bastard son Jesus. If you don't worship their God He will condemn you to an eternity in a lake of fire in the afterlife. Sorry that's not the kind of religion that appeals to me.
     
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    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately there are many Christians in Name only
     
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    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    What do you know about Universe?
    Nothing.
    What do you know about God and his creations?
    Nothing?
    Who are you in comparison to God?
    Nothing.

    Also, don't mock God!

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    Understanding Delusion.

    https://whywontgodhealamputees.com/your-delusion.htm
    • There is a man who lives at the North Pole.
    • He lives there with his wife and a bunch of elves.
    • During the year, he and the elves build toys.
    • Then, on Christmas Eve, he loads up a sack with all the toys.
    • He puts the sack in his sleigh.
    • He hitches up eight (or possibly nine) flying reindeer.
    • He then flies from house to house, landing on the rooftops of each one.
    • He gets out with his sack and climbs down the chimney.
    • He leaves toys for the children of the household.
    • He climbs back up the chimney, gets back in his sleigh, and flies to the next house.
    • He does this all around the world in one night.
    • Then he flies back to the North Pole to repeat the cycle next year
    • "But how can the sleigh carry enough toys for everyone in the world?" I say to you that the sleigh is magical. It has the ability to do this intrinsically.


    • "How does Santa get into houses and apartments that don't have chimneys?" I say that Santa can make chimneys appear, as shown to all of us in the movie The Santa Clause.


    • "How does Santa get down the chimney if there's a fire in the fireplace?" I say that Santa has a special flame-resistant suit, and it cleans itself too.


    • "Why doesn't the security system detect Santa?" Santa is invisible to security systems.


    • "How can Santa travel fast enough to visit every child in one night?" Santa is timeless.


    • "How can Santa know whether every child has been bad or good?" Santa is omniscient.


    • "Why are the toys distributed so unevenly? Why does Santa deliver more toys to rich kids, even if they are bad, than he ever gives to poor kids?" There is no way for us to understand the mysteries of Santa because we are mere mortals, but Santa has his reasons. For example, perhaps poor children would be unable to handle a flood of expensive electronic toys. How would they afford the batteries? So Santa spares them this burden.
     
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    So are you saying Jesus creates everlasting punishment and death then can save us from it?
    How do you make yourself believe anything, if you do not believe something you cannot make yourself believe it, so where is the choice?
     
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    God created hell. Then he sentenced us to eternal torture in his hell before we were born because some woman ate an apple six thousand years ago. Then because he loves us, he sacrifices himself, to himself, to save us, from himself.
     
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    Yes, that is pretty much how I DONT understand the mental contortions either!
     
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    That goes back to the old theological debate between faith versus works.

    The very short answer is the two are inextricably connected.
     
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    Nobody goes there unless they deserve it. The problem is there's a lot of people who can't see how they deserve it (or how they will deserve it).

    Here's just something to think about: There is a high percentage of serial killers who are unable to see how they are doing anything wrong. Even when they are finally caught and in prison, and someone sits there with them in a conversation trying to explain to them why what they did was wrong, many of them are still unable to see it.
     
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    Let's forget the serial killers or what people think they deserve for this discussion. Does the Bible support what I said? And if not, what did I get wrong according to the Bible?
     
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    Even in Buddhism, the more you sin, the further down you will go, and it will become harder and harder to rise up.

    Even if we supposed for the sake of argument you would have a hundred lifetimes to keep trying over again, if that number of lifetimes happened not to be infinite you would still very much be in danger of hell, as your ultimate destination.
     
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    So why did Jesus not make it impossible to sin, would of saved a lot of flooding and hanging around on a cross?
     
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    Would you wish that it were impossible to sin if you believed there wasn't a hell?


    If you really did not want to sin, with all your heart (which is not the case), there would be no problem.
    People don't even know what's actually wrong or right half the time.
     
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    As with all religious discussions, I would like to discuss evidence, not assertions presented without evidence. I find Buddhism to be as lacking in evidence for claims made as Christianity. Actually in many ways more lacking. Buddhism is the same supernatural mumbo jumbo without a magic sky man although some versions of Buddhism certainly have their own version of divine beings that are bowed down to. What evidence is there that anyone has hundreds of lifetimes, and if the self is an illusion, what is the basis for asserting some connection between hundreds of lifetimes.
     
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    So explain why Jesus did not make it impossible to sin?
     
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    How about we start a separate thread to discuss that question.


    You can start it, and then post the link here, so anyone who wants to can follow that discussion.

    (It is of course a valid question that needs answering, but it might just be a little too complicated to try to discuss here)
     
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    The widespread idea that believing in something without evidence (called faith) is a virtue, is in all honesty, a sad commentary on human nature. To put it another way threatening people with eternal torture (hell) if they exercise critical thinking is sad, and the fact that people can be so threated is sad.
     
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    The Bible says the wages of sin is DEATH.

    "Everlastimg punishment" is from Dante's fictional "Divine Comedy"

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