Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

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Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

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    37.5%
  2. Paul

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    12.5%
  3. Constantine

    8 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    It is obvious from Scripture that faith isn't needed to know that a Creator exists, because "since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen" and are "understood."
     
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    This is circular logic. You can not demonstrate any god exists, let alone created anything.
     
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    Creation leaves us without excuse because through it God's eternal power and divine nature are seen.
     
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    This is circular logic. You can not demonstrate any god exists, let alone created anything.
     
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    "In the beginning" was God, or the universe? Many people refuse to believe in God because they can't fathom how an entity could be eternal. Yet scientists used to teach that the universe itself was eternal-it just always was-and atheists were content to believe that.
     
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    We know matter/energy can not be created or destroyed. This is established science. We know your god is a figment of your imagination based on man made fiction.
     
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    The Second Law of Thermodynamics is not inconsistent with the Bible. https://creation.com/the-second-law-of-thermodynamics-answers-to-critics

     
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    Many people who reject Christianity do so because they believe the Bible is full of errors. Yet they've never taken the time to actually read it through. I have found that any "mistakes" I've seen in the Bible were my mistakes. But there are many seeming contradictions. Let me give you an example. God, through one of the prophets, told a king named Zedekiah that he would be taken captive to Jerusalem. Another prophecy said that he would not see Jerusalem. So there's an obvious "mistake" in the Bible. How could he be taken captive to Jerusalem and yet not see it?

    The Scriptures tell us that the king was taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar to the main gates of Jerusalem, where he was blinded by his captors (see 2 Kings 23:7). So he was taken captive to Jerusalem, but he didn't see it.
     
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    Wr know it’s full of errors.

    This is man made fiction
     
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    Yes...that is slightly different definition. But the word "especially"
    does not completely rule out other possibilities...
    The definition uses the word..."transmigration"...and does not specify any one particular form over another.
    It simply says a "different" form or "body".

    Reincarnation, also known as rebirth or transmigration, is the philosophical or religious belief that the non-physical essence of a living being begins a new life in a different physical form or body after biological death.

    And if you follow the "body" link in that definition, you will find....

    ....a physical object or physical body (or simply an object or body) is a collection of matter within a defined contiguous boundary in three-dimensional space.

    Nothing there about "human" or "flesh and blood"
     
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    Another seeming mistake is where Adam was told that he would surely die "the day" he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Skeptics point to the Scriptures saying that Adam lived until he was over 900 years old. Here is another obvious "mistake"-for those who don't understand the nature of man. God created mankind with three main parts: body, soul, and spirit (see 1 Thessalonians 5:23). The body is the machine we walk around in, and our five senses enable us to be conscious of our surroundings. Our soul is our self-conscious part-the area of the emotions, the will, and the conscience. And our spirit is our God-conscious part. That's how we can be aware of God and relate to Him.

    We have physical life when we're joined to our body, and we have spiritual life when we're joined to God. Just as physical death occurs when we're separated from our body, spiritual death occurs when we're separated from God. The fact that so-called atheists and agnostics exist attests to the fact that their God-consciousness is dead. They know God exists intellectually-because of conscience and creation-but they are not aware of His omnipresence because they are dead spiritually. They are like a fish in the ocean that is not aware of the ocean.

    Adam was unique in that when he was created, God breathed His Spirit into him, giving Adam spiritual life-so he could know and relate to His Creator.

    The truth is that Adam did die on the day he sinned against God through disobedience. Because God is so holy that He cannot dwell with sin, He withdrew His Holy Spirit from Adam when he sinned, and Adam died spiritually at that very moment. And since everything reproduces "after its own kind," all of Adam's offspring (all mankind) are also born spiritually dead-separated from God.
     
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    Paul is saying that we see the Godhead at work in nature - such that we should need no further justification for the existence of God.
     
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    We see the Godhead at work in nature-not the god of religion who has impersonal attributes. https://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bibleallah.htm

     
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    I am not sure which God of the Bible Islam associates with Allah - my guess is YHWH.

    If this is the case .. YHWH has some rather nasty attributes - and I would agree that some Muslims (Islamists) share these nasty attributes.

    These attributes are shared by fundamentalist Christianity as well.
     
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    God is patient in the Old Testament and the Old Testament and the New Testament mention hell.
     
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    Not sure there are many examples of YHWH having patience ... seems a more impatient character - but what is your point .. are you suggesting that Islam has Patience ?
     
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    God is just and loving in both the Old and New Testament. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-different.html

     
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    God is sometimes just .. sometimes "unjust" - in the OT
    God is rarely loving but often nasty and cruel - extremely nasty actually - not too many ounces of forgiveness in that God's persona - and plenty of wrath ... jealous bugger as well .. some of the most nasty and petty of human characteristics to be sure

    No wonder you think YHWH is the Liar God .. finally you have come full circle young Padawan .. :cheerleader: twirling round and round :deadhorse:but getting nowhere.
     
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    The Israelites drove out the Caananites because God judged them for their wickedness. https://www.gotquestions.org/jihad-Bible.html

     
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    YHWH was just fulfilling his "War God" role - the standard path by which the Son usurps the Father back in the day. YHWH usurping the position of EL in this case .. so do not be too hard on him for the Canaanites .. battling YHWH's various brothers depending on the City..

    YHWH did worse stuff than the Canaanites - so perhaps not the best example - "all is fair in love and war" - you know - that sort of thing .. not like they had todays scruples .. and war is war.

    but - what about your claim that YHWH is a Liar ..why are you hiding from this position .. unwilling to even acknowledge that it exists.

    You know .. in the art of war .. the most dangerous enemy is the one you do not know exists - These fundamentalist snake sites of deception that you post from have turned you into a Blasphemer ..

    Not exactly the Christian Role Model one would expect ... Blaspheming Jesus and "The Most High" - along with the God of Abraham. - I will give you that much.
     
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    The Koran is different from the Bible. https://www.gotquestions.org/jihad-Bible.html

     
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    What does that have to do with your claim that YHWH is a Liar - Oh what a tangled web we weave - when once practices to deceive.
     
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    Jesus and the apostles preached the gospel to people-they didn't destroy pagan statues. https://www.gotquestions.org/jihad-Bible.html

     
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    Right - but that does not mean you have to worship those pagan statues - blaspheme Jesus - and call "the Father" a Pagan God.
     

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