What good is religion?

oh? what laws have you voted on? referendums? Let see em!

You have not proven that to be the case, Im agnostic which mean I dont believe either side father then I can throw a freight train across the room.

Ah, St. Stalin or St, Mao? Both maybe?

Or agnostics that dont accept wooden nickels as fact.

and you do? Name the last amendment you voted on, referendums? Lets see em

Proving you wrong on these points is not garbage to those who want the truth of the matter

Think? I know it! Do you think you run yours?

I suppose you think I should follow you and turn to St Stalins crew?

 

I think like the above too, yes. Then at other times I also define it as a personal conversation someone has with themself trying to make sense of their life...i...because iI have seen people with cancer or badly wounded after a terrorist attack and I saw how "just believing" in God enabled them to cope or die with dignity. I also learned people in pain who forgive have had to take a system of belief they always thought true, realize it was not, and still somehow move on.

Hope that makes sense because I am no preacher please I just have seen people in bad pain, and when they used their concept of "God" to forgive themselves or others and let go of certain shitty stuff and die peacefully I realy felt deep respect for that. I mean that is the closest I can explain my thought on religion.

I do know lots of people who feel or felt abandon by God after bad things happened. Whether they choose to see their God as having abandon them or not, they have to work through. I just listen. I have heard such people, war vets, holocaust survivors, abused kids, forgive "God" . Pretty powerful stuff. That God is them at the same time. They use the God to get in touch with themselves, it fuses one concept not two.

My term for God and system of describing God is akin to Benoit Mandelbrot's fractal theory. I have no name for it. Its a reference to everything but nothing flowing from the exact same source.

What the phack do I know lol.

 

Actually......
you write like somebody who had a near death experience or some sort of similar experience...

Coming from me that is a huge compliment......
there are a number of near death experiencers here on politicalforum and their writing style, in my opinion, is exceptionally insightful.


https://near-death.com/mellen-thomas-benedict/

.....

 

You are, as is your wont, misinterpreting my comments, which were directed at gabmux, about the difference between his view and yours, which I already know, as you were not as tongu-tied as he. Therefore, not only is your answer uncalled for, but it is out of context with the question. But it's not worth arguing over. So, whatever.

 

Yes It was and is and it only takes kindness to understand which is why you say what you did.Lol my insights come from missing the toilet.

We all should not be afraid take back our innocence and not be afraid to think in infinite allegories if we wish to. I can not stand all the wokes telling us what universes we can create and what must make sense.

Too many censors these days and not enough artists and space travellers .

Surfs up kowabunga.

 

Lots of problems with that

You sure?

Well if its "not the solution" how can anyone consider it good?

Solution to what precisely? I cant add up your premise that religion was intended to be a 'specific' solution to anything at all, aside from guaranteeing free thought and the ability to have your own beliefs? I had a post that was designed to cover that however it was deemed inappropriate and deleted.

I presume you see a value in philosophy because that is supposed to be secular?

Lucretius: Philosophy vs. Religion
Helped Shape the Modern World

Lucretius may be useful in understanding the foundation of the early modern project and revealing the imprudence of modern atheism.

Lucretius (c. 96-55 B. C.): religionum animum nodis exsolvere, proof that he considered ligare, to bind, to be the root of religio. 3

Religion is that to which you are bound to, in other words if your religion says you cant eat pork you dont, if it says you cant be an accessory to gay whatever you dont, if it says you face mecca and pray you do.

Governments used to be (and still are but the names have been changed to protect the guilty), religion conducted politically, with no separation.

The US constitution (not the guv) recognizes that religion is not adjudicable 'UNDER' the constitution, which is why they create euphemisms (polygamy is bigamy) presto shazamo now your religious right is secular and adjudicable 'UNDER' the constitution!

If you tell me that your religion requires you to face mecca and pray at noon every day and you do not exercise that belief by facing mecca and praying everyday people would have no choice but to conclude it is NOT your religion, since religion means that to which you are bound to do, ie obligation.

Sure everyone has 'SELF MADE' rules that they live by based upon certain ideas that they believe.

So you consider murder and stealing for instance, part of the big 10 an illusion?

How about eating pork back in the day before anyone had any clue about trichina? Guv says you must eat pork and your religion believes it will kill you, or you stand the chance of being infested by trichina so you abide by your RELIGIOUS BELIEFS and do not eat pork, which I remind you is outside the jurisdiction of adjudication by da guv and it hurts no one but you if you are wrong.

To deny religion is to give up your right to 'believe'/'live' differently from the mob, or someone else who will surely dictate their beliefs and impose them on you, which is a constant whine from atheists neo or otherwise, you know the right to be FREE FROM?......ANOTHERS BELIEFS!

Religion gives you that right. For an example, Europe is FORCED BY LAW to believe the holocaust, a Jewish religious ceremony, is 100% factual and true exactly as DICTATED by DA GUV, despite the facts that records prove the whole story is a monumental fabrication based purely in fraud.

If I were living under the 'authoritarian' ZOG controlled germany right now they would be marching me off to jail right now for uttering heretical words of blasphemy as you just read!

So what is religion good for?

 

Everything is complicated to the less astute.

Jesus had 2 commandments and thought that was good enough for the complicated ones who could not grasp simple moral concepts, to play mind games with.

Moral cowards need complicated shielding to hide their lack of a decent moral sense.

Regards
DL

 

We were the victims of fascist Christian thinking and their genocidal inquisitions, and you would make us the oppressor.

Thanks for showing where we used genocide, lying anal orifice.

Lies are all the supernatural genocidal god and his moral midgets sheeple have.

Regards
DL

 

Own beliefs are hard to achieve with Inquisitors and Jihadist all over the place.

Those are really anti us having our own beliefs.

Try being a woman or gay thinking you are equal to men, while your church preached homophobia and misogyny as the way to go.

Those liars are traitors to our country as well as yours, IMO.

Regards
DL

 

God is War.

That is why the believers honor a genocidal God.

God is the epitome of pleasure and drama because we love to see the love of war in our children's eyes. The look of the fittest.

Have you forgotten the last 5,000 yrs of war?



Regards
DL

 

We are slaved to our selfish genes. We are the most insecure animal on the planet.

Religions and other tribes assuage our insecurity by providing fellowship.

The end game for all of us should be world domination in some area of thought.

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Believer or not, your epitome of desire, is to be named the Greatest I am.

Religions are tribes. So are the various non-believing tribes.

Tribal leaders and shaman are the ones to be emulated by all of us so that we might become better than they are and depose them.

It’s like Jesus ascending and retiring God by taking the righthand judges’ seat. Jesus, in effect; deposed his father. As things should be in a hierarchical progressive species like ours.

Leaders and shaman are the only ones who can claim being Greatest I am at any given point in time.

Religiously speaking, we want to and are encouraged by scriptures to try to emulate whatever we think of as God. God’s best-known speaker is analogically, Greatest I am.

Individually speaking, even you were born, instinctively speaking; thinking you were the fittest of your genetic line. In that sense, your ultimate raison d'être and dream, even if you can come up with some other analogy in religious terms; is you want to be known as the greatest at something, including God.

Upon birth, your first thought was, I am.

Your second thought was, where is the Greatest I am so that I might be his friend, and depose him with better justice?

Who are the fittest you are now to compete with, to prove your fitness, is your next enlightenment.

This is all of us seeking idols to emulate and depose the current icon in our chosen competitions.

Jesus asks us to idolize ourselves, loosely of course, by asking us in scriptures, “have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?”

I have not given up my spiritual, religious, or political efforts to be seen as the greatest at something.

I am not Jesus, but I am curious. Have you given up on your religious birth rite to be a god?

That would disappoint Jesus.

Have you given up your genetic birth rite to be the fittest and excel in some field?

That would disappoint your ancestors. They came from nature and nature demonstrably creates for the best possible end.

I see it as a shame when someone stops competing to be the greatest at something.

Regards
DL

 

Thank you....that is quite true IMO.
It is very sad that most folks waste a whole life time...
and at the very end when they are sick and dying...they realize God
and find peace and forgiveness.
So why did they wait until their deathbed for peace of mind...
Why would any sane person wish to spend a life of misery...

 

What life of misery? Worshipping an imaginary grandpa in the sky? I would rather do something constructive like play Starcraft 2.

 

Yes I am quite sure.

I don't know how anyone can consider it "good"...but "religious" people seem to.
Maybe they see it as a security blanket or a therapy dog...
maybe some can only feel well and content in a controlled environment
under certain circumstances...with a rabbit's foot in their pocket.
I am saying religion is neither good nor bad...and it's also not the solution.

 

Me too

 

Thank you for that comment......
your timing was perfect.....
I have been asking myself questions all day today and for these past several weeks that involve me trying to figure out what course of action I should probably take over these next months and years......

... based on my now having found a group that I know that I could work with........ but...... I do believe that maybe I am supposed to address more complex questions.......... which I assume would eventually put me at odds with that group..... at least to some degree?????

 

Or fantasy.

FMPOV. I have no problem in people waiting till they are denying, --- to lose their intelligence, --- and start believing in some supernatural god.

Regards
DL

 

Better perhaps, to say religions and tribes have both a good and evil side.

Given that we are tribal and religious by nature, because we are the most insecure animal on the planet and need to belong to some gang or other, the solution, likely articulated by an individual, will as a certainty require the cooperation of our greater tribes and nations, secular religions.

The tribe is the solution, as long as it is doing the will of whoever guides it.

Individually, we are powerless without the tribe we are in.

Regards
DL

 

My point is still that even with "religion" being around forever...
and all of it's teachings available, humans are still killing off
everything on the planet...including each other.
If "religion" can't solve that problem, then it is worthless.

 

Yes good point IMO...
If a "religion" or "tribe" does not except and bring together ALL humans
then it is not helpful and promotes division among them which can lead to more wars.

 

Why would I need to be a Christian, Muslim, Navajo etc.."to believe'/'live' differently from the mob"
And if the "mob" has a "religion" other than my own...than I might also be considered the "mob" by them.
If "Religion" causes more confusion than it does healing....then how is it helping

They can try to force your behavior...but I'm not sure anyone can force you to believe something.
"Beliefs" can change...they are unstable. What you "believe" one day,
can change the next day given the right set of circumstances.

IMO, the only real "freedom" would be to have no "beliefs" at all.

 

I don't see how I am dismissing anyone's beliefs.
I'm merely saying that "religions" are not going to bring everyone together...
they never have and they never will. If "religion" does not except/include everyone
then it is not accomplishing it's purpose. It is instead
contributing to more separation and eventually more war and destruction.

 

so religion over the course of thousands of year did not work, guv over thousands of years made most wars, so what do you suggest?

 

Yes valid conclusion IMO.

If more people would at least consider the ideas you expressed above...
then perhaps it would be worth starting another thread.
Unless more were interested in what you said above...
I wouldn't even know how to word the OP.
But you might...

 

From what I've been reading this next decade is going to be one of the best in the history of the earth and it will be amazing how much spiritual development will take place before 2031.

Yes.... we will need to do something like "surfing" on all the spiritual energy that is pouring into the earth's atmosphere soon. Actually.... it has already started.