Which part of the US will succumb, to SEA LEVEL RISE, first?

Agree about Jack, I mentioned this forum to him about 1 1/2 years ago. Was listed as friend with him at the other forum that he and myself have abandoned because the Mods there allows a lot of trolling and off topic to go unaddressed. The Mods here are a lot more vigilant which is what is desired to keep topics flowing as they should.

 

There is also the problem that islands can be affected by changes in ocean currents independently of sea level.

All land is either rising, sinking, or stable. The rate of vertical movement at different locations is normally distributed around a mean of zero. Any report on sea level increase that does not use a representative sample of all the world's marine coastlines is unlikely to have any significant scientific merit.

 

I got hammered at the other forum but do not recall you there. Were you talking about the DP forum? Jack notified me he is done there. I got hit here this weekend for using the term TDS. So with the way it is going on Twitter and Facebook, time to think if there is a way to create our own forum and get people there I guess. This forum has been my main but I had to change to DP for quite a time.

 

There may still be a site called Not Fire but Ice that discussed islands. Tasmania he says has experienced not sea level rise, but falling sea levels.

https://www.iceagenow.com/

This is current I believe.

https://www.iceagenow.info/

 

Kivalina: A Case Study of How Media & Politics Mangle Objective Climate Science!
Charles Rotter
Kivalina and Newtok don’t exemplify climate crises. Kivalina and Newtok are iconic examples of how the media and governments have ignored the injustices suffered by native peoples, then use their…

 

Billionaire Sea Level Hype
Willis Eschenbach
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach Here’s how billionaire hype works. Without presenting a scrap of evidence to back up his claim, Bill Gates, multi-billionaire inventor of the blue screen of…

 

WSJ Magazine Promotes False Tuvalu Myth in Bill Gates Climate Change Article
SEA LEVEL FEBRUARY 16, 2021

WSJ Magazine, a product of the Wall Street Journal, told an outlandish climate change falsehood about Tuvalu and sea-level rise yesterday in an article about Bill Gates. In the article, titled “Bill Gates Has a Master Plan for Battling Climate Change,” WSJ Magazine claims, “Residents of Tuvalu, an island nation in the South Pacific, are jockeying for space as their archipelago is swallowed by rising seas.” The truth is exactly the opposite.

For background, climate activists have made Tuvalu – a nation of coral reefs and small islands in the South Pacific – a poster child for climate change. Activists claim rising seas are swallowing the nation and its islands. However, as documented by Climate Realism here and here, the majority of Tuvalu’s islands are growing in size, not shrinking.

While seas are modestly rising, modestly rising seas bring new sediment and allow for new coral to grow. The result is net land growth for islands like those in Tuvalu. . . .

 

Indeed. Both political parties are corrupt as all hell. Trump's presidency has fully exposed this truth to where even the most "simple" of free thinkers should be able to figure it out. I already miss Trump in the oval office...

 

Sea level Rise Review. Rate Of Rise Depends On Whom You Ask. Most Say: “No Alarm”
By P Gosselin on 21. February 2021

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In the latest video, German climate science site Die kalte Sonne here presents a review of sea level rise.

No one disagrees that sea level is rising. But there’s plenty of disagreement on how fast it’s really rising. . . .

 

Munging The Sea Level Data
Willis Eschenbach
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach mung/mənj/ [pronounced “munge”]verbINFORMAL•COMPUTINGgerund or present participle: mungingto manipulate (data)EXAMPLE: “you could do what anti-spammers have done for years and mung…

 

‘Problem of missing ice’ finally solved by movement of the earth’s crust
Charles Rotter
Until now, mathematical models of the last ice age could not reconcile the height of the sea level and the thickness of the glacier masses: the so-called Missing Ice Problem.

 

More about SLR.

Historical UK Sea Levels
Willis Eschenbach
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach There’s a new study out that uses previously overlooked or obscure sea-level records to extend the UK sea-level record back to 1832. It provides an…

 

Climate adaptation follies. Part I: The New Jersey challenge
Posted on March 7, 2021 by curryja | 52 comments
by Judith Curry

New Jersey has a sea level rise problem. How should this be managed?

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". . . Why is sea level rising so fast off the coast of New Jersey?

Many places in the Eastern U.S. have been sinking for thousands of years and will continue to sink for thousands more, in response to adjustments from the retreat of glacier ice following the last Ice Age. Even though the glacier ice retreated long ago, the U.S. East Coast and Great Lakes regions are still slowly sinking.

Ground water withdrawal and sediment compaction are additional factors influencing the local rate of sinking. Locations that sit atop a coastal plain, such as the Jersey Shore, are seeing the fastest rates of subsidence, since the geology of the coastal plain features more settling of the land from groundwater depletion and long-term sediment compaction. By contrast, Mid-Atlantic coastal locations that are built on top of bedrock, such as New York City, have relatively low sinking rates. . . . "

 

Directly on point for the OP:


Climate adaptation follies. Part II: scenarios of future sea level rise
Posted on March 8, 2021 by curryja | 31 comments
by Judith Curry

How did the state of New Jersey come to adopt sea level rise projections for their adaptation planning that are more than twice as high as the IPCC’s values?

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Climate adaptation sense. Part III: Dynamic Adaptation Policy Pathways
Posted on March 17, 2021 by curryja | 6 comments
by Judith Curry

Best practices in adapting to sea level rise use a framework suitable for decision making under deep uncertainty.

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This post is the third (and final) part in the series on New Jersey sea level rise:

• Climate adaptation follies. Part I: The New Jersey challenge
• Climate adaptation follies. Part II: scenarios of future sea level rise

The posts are drawn from my report Assessment of projected sea level rise scenarios for the New Jersey coast.

As described in Parts I and II, sea level rise projections for the 21st century are characterized by deep uncertainty:

• Deep uncertainty (recognized ignorance) – fundamental uncertainty in the mechanisms being studied and a weak scientific basis for developing scenarios; future outcomes may lie outside of the realm of regular or quantifiable expectations; no agreement on how to define the possible outcomes.

Apart from uncertainties in emissions scenarios, there are substantial uncertainties in: climate sensitivity to increasing CO2, future volcanic eruptions, solar variability, multi-decadal ocean oscillations, and possible instabilities in ice sheets. Kopp et al. (2017) state:

“The breadth of published projections, as well as of remaining structural uncertainties, highlight the fact that future sea-level rise remains an arena of deep uncertainty.”

The following text is drawn from my report “Assessment of projected sea level rise scenarios for the New Jersey Coast”, which includes references. . . .

 

Current climate model simulations overestimate future sea-level rise
Charles Rotter
The current climate model simulations, which do not take ocean eddies into account, project that the ocean temperatures around Antarctica are increasing under climate change. The new high-resolution simulation shows…

 

Follow the Science: Seas Rising 20 Times Slower than the Media Claim
SEA LEVEL APRIL 13, 2021

 

More Data Tampering From The Harris Administration
Posted on April 19, 2021 by tonyheller

 

DATELINE 2041: IPCC Exposes Fossil Fuel Companies' Brainwashing Scheme

UN Secretary of Climate Professor Michael Mann announced today that his IPPC Strike Force has uncovered proof that fossil fuel companies have deceived the populations of coastal cities. 'We know these places are under water because our officially authorized data say so,' Mann confirmed, 'the consensus is over 99%. But fossil fuel companies' propaganda has convinced the people living there to go about their lives as if nothing has happened. It's scandalous.' The report concludes that oil companies must also have altered their gasoline and diesel fuel formulations to make internal combustion engines work underwater, as there is no other possible explanation for how coastal city road networks continue to carry traffic as usual despite sea level increases that have reached 10 feet in New York, 15 feet in Boston, and as much as 20 feet in Philadelphia. 'It's partly the schools' fault,' Mann went on, 'because students haven't been properly trained to trust the official data we here at the IPCC supply. It's pathetic to see them sloshing around on the streets and playing soccer on the school grounds just as if they are on dry land. When we tell them they have to escape and get to higher ground to save themselves, they just look at us as if we have lost our minds.'

 

Brilliantly hilarious!

 

It is important to understand the difference between sea level rise and coastal subsidence.
No, Rutgers, Sea-Level Rise Isn’t Accelerating on the U.S. East Coast
SEA LEVEL JUNE 15, 2021

 

I realized how stupid most of the media was last month when the largest recorded piece of the Antarctic Ice Shelf broke off.

https://www.dogonews.com/2021/5/28/worlds-largest-iceberg-breaks-off-antarcticas-ronne-ice-shelf.

And I realized how little many people in the media and on platforms like YouTube understand things like "science", because on the Internet, TV and Radio I have heard people screaming that this was going to increase sea levels. And as soon as I heard anybody say that, I knew they were a clueless moron.

The ice shelf is already resting in the water, any miniscule rise had happened a long time ago. The ice had already displaced the water the moment it extended over it. This is why the entire Arctic Ice Cap can melt to nothing, and the oceans will not rise a bit.

This ocean ice shelf breaking off will raise ocean levels, about as much as if you fill a glass full of ice and water to the brim and let the ice melt, it will not overflow. In fact, if anything there will be less water in the glass as frozen water actually displaces more volume than liquid water because of expansion. But this is miniscule when looked at the volume of water in the oceans.

The problem is that many I am starting to think are intentionally misleading the public, and they are just buying it without thought.

 

Global warming is a farce.....humans have no cause to be alarmed.....The earth cools and heats....all on its own....and we can't do anything about it....cows farting, autos with carbon monoxide..all part of the world...you will live till you die... get over it....I did passs out a few days ago when I passed by a cow pasture,and an ol bull farted on me...wow...what a gas...going into a movie theater wil do the same...

 

I would never say that, it is entirely real.

Otherwise, we would still see everything north of Cleveland and New York City still under mile deep ice sheets. And pretty much wade from Florida to Cuba.

But there is absolutely no evidence that it is accelerating any more than was predicted from almost a century ago when the first idea of ice ages was finally accepted. The problem is that most simply can not accept that the planet changes. They see it as it is now, and the morons that do not understand science think this is how it has always been, and it should remain as it is forever.

Those are the real idiots and those that do not understand science.

To give an idea, I had to laugh when I read a tourist brochure that described how the "San Francisco Bay" must have looked when the first people arrived around 35kya. And I just laughed out loud, because at that time, there was no "San Francisco Bay". It did not even exist yet.

You had an wide river valley, that let out where the "Golden Gate Bridge" is now, and flowed an additional 20+ miles to the West. Even 12kya, the bay had yet to develop.



Yet, they scream I am the one that does not know science.

 

Well, Obama babbled about 'global warming' and then when he retired he ran out and bought a beach house on an island.

In any case, this book is now out, and worth a read,

https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/dp/1950665798

Given how the 'climate change' industry has savaged it before it even came out is a very good reason to read it; they stand to lose many billions in pork if people got wise to the data manipulation and outright lying by so-called 'scientists'. he's not a denier, either, so don't believe that lie either. It reminds me of all those 'scientists' cigarette companies paid to tell us how good smoking was for us. Sometimes the truth is somewhere in between all the lies and bullshit.