FoxHastings said: ↑ You seem to have missed this question: ""Are there any other arguments that might be advanced for the Personhood of the Zygote ?"" No , I didn't. I never said any different.
Go back and read more slowly it was about LIFE not EVERYTHING. No that you are clear on that argue the issue not you misreading of what is posted.
Well god that you think anything that is not a giraffe nor an elephant is a living human - including the zygote - a sperm is not a giraffe nor elephant either .. nor is a liver cell .. none of which are human so your claim has been demonstrated false - but that is another topic. We are talking about your inability to distinguish between the noun and descriptive adjective form of the word "human" - which you go on to demonstrate as follows. The word "human" in the phrase "human genetic material" - is a descriptive adjective .. describing what kind of genetic material it is. .. "Genetic Material" is the noun - of the human kind being the description of what type of genetic material. So your big mistake was using the term "Innocent Human Life" thinking that meant that the thing being described by the descriptive adjective Human .. necessarily means "A Human" is present .. when clearly this is not the case - as there is all kinds of innocent human life that you would not define as "A human" - Noun.
no this is a straw man fallacy. I don't think a drop of blood is a living human being nor a severed finger or sperm they can't just ate in a womb into a human being. And no a fertilized egg is not a human being but it has the potential to be unlike anything other that you listed there in your moronic little strawman. Is fertilized egg this single cell that isn't has unique DNA. It is fundamentally different than a blood cell or a stem cell or a sperm cell. For you to pretend other ones is to be dishonest. really bad straw man. Show me a liver cell or a sperm cell that has unique DNA or that can grow into a human being and then you'll be comparing apples to apples. no you are trying to discuss this nonsense to distract from the argument you lost. Grammar policing is a coping mechanism. This has nothing to do with that moronic strong and you post it or the difference between a sperm and a fertilized egg. If you think those two things are the same thing you are completely devoid of biological knowledge, in the incapable of having this discussion on any meaningful level.
Different words have different meanings.....that's why there are different words... Grammar ( and English) sure would've helped that "sentence". Same there,it's incoherent..
You posted what you posted - if you didn't mean what the words you wrote mean - it is not my fault.. I misread nothing " Read the title the question is it a "human". If created by humans OF COURSE it is a human" The question is "Is a Zygote a Human" your response "If created by humans of course it is a human" Now you have clarified claiming that "Any life created by humans is a human" which is still preposterously false. Now that we are clear on what you meant .. are you clear that your claim is false ? I can think of many living things created by humans - and not talking gardening .. taking from within the human - that are not humans .. human feces being one example - not only living bacterial cells - but human cells present. Why would you think the living human cells in feces are Humans ? ... How about liver cells - heart cells .. these are living things created by humans .. Fully meeting your both your original definition - and your amended definition. Your claim is false - any way you slice it or dice it .. and sad that you could not figure this out by now .. after years of me calling out this same mistake .. over and over .. over and over. and the realated "If it is not a fish - it must be a human" fallacious nonsense.
So a zygote can never be a human so you were just created by an alchemist? The point I'm making is a fertilized egg is fundamentally different than any other human cell and that it can and often does grow into an individual. One could say in newborn infant isn't a human based on how they arbitrarily Define human.
It was your nonsensical and fallacious argument "If it is not a elephant it must be a human" .. It is not a strawman to point out how nonsensical this argument is by pointing out things .. such as human cells - which are not elephants - nor any other animal - but are not humans. Then you laughably project your failings onto others. Pointing out your lack of ability to distinguish between the Noun and Descriptive Adjctive form of the word human ,... is not "grammar policing" The incorrect grammar is not the point .. such as a typo .. the point is that you do not know what the words you are using mean .. and claiming ridiculous things on the basis of not understanding the difference between " A Human" and "Human Feces" in a conversation where one of the really important things to understand .. is the difference between "A Human" and "Human life" ... where the word itself "IS" the topic of conversation What a joke of a post - nothing but false mindless accusations and name calling - but normal for you. who is the moron here ? Yeah .. we know .. projecting again Where did I pretend otherwise ? Prove your claim or admit that it you are the one pretending others are dishonest. What a joke .. serious projection of your flaws on to others .. Then after presenting no material other nonsense - false accusations -and "Strawman" you once again falsely accuse me of builting a strawman .. and somehow out of all this mindless nonsence -- you have somehow won some argument. Go away .. been around this mindless ferris wheel before - ply your carnival tricks somewhere else. This has nothing to do with that moronic strong and you post it or the difference between a sperm and a fertilized egg. If you think those two things are the same thing you are completely devoid of biological knowledge, in the incapable of having this discussion on any meaningful level
FoxHastings said: ↑ Different words have different meanings.....that's why there are different words... Grammar ( and English) sure would've helped that "sentence". Same there,it's incoherent.. So? It's accurate.
you can't name a fallacy or point it out so this evaluation is most likely more about ego and any response subsequent to it doesn't really need to be addressed. As I stand by my position and you have done nothing to undermine it.
Believe it is whatever you want to believe. I don't think you ever add any value to any discussion you participate in. So I will treat you as such.
and likewise This was in response to Poly's "Grammar Nazi" comment ohh .. sorry .. it was the "Grammar Police" - lets get the terms right Poly can't seem to figure out the difference between "human life" and "A Human" .. so in a fit of Ad Hom Fallacy - attacks the messenger instead of dealing with the message. So theres one Fallacy "Ad Hominum" - now either come up with some coherent diatribe - learn the difference between the noun and descriptve adjective form of the word human - between "A Human" and "Human Life" - in a conversation about what a human is - or keep going around in a circle of self deception .
I told you what I posted, even elaborated for you. I'm not going down your rabbit of your misrepresentation. I have neither the time nor the patience for one of your inane pointless arguments. If you want to discuss the issue discuss the issue.
Stop blabbering on and go learn the difference between " a human" and "human life" .. in trying to explain yourself you proved that you did not know the difference.. hopefully now we do not see you making the same mistake again - like so many others ..such that I have to keep correcting you folks over and over.
Yes .. and when you elaborated and clarified you claimed "Any life created by humans is a human" which is still preposterously false nonsense. Why would you think the living human cells in feces are Humans ? ... How about liver cells - heart cells .. these are living things created by humans .. Fully meeting your both your original definition - and your amended definition. Your claim is false - any way you slice it or dice it .. and sad that you could not figure this out by now .. after years of me calling out this same mistake .. over and over .. followed by you running from the playground crying "Inane pointless arguments" completely projecting your failure onto the messenger .. in a mindless falacious bout of self deception -- such that you will go on repeating the same mistake .. over - and over and over ....
You can play your gotcha game and that's adorable. But we all know it's a way to avoid the argument that you don't want to have. That's why I'm not playing with you
You are the one playing the games mate - name calling and false accusations in near every post - projecting instead of correcting. mistakes - You conflated "human life" with "a human" and when corrected have desperately tried to avoid correction - now projecting your dodging and avoidance tactices onto others. And please do not let me stop you from leaving the playground.. not all are able to handle correction.
