Is a Zygote - "A Human" 2 /Mod Warning

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK -- hold on here .. you are denying that you likened those who use the word zygote to Nazi's - trying to dehumanize like slaves were dehumanized ?

    and of course if premise is false -- what follows would be false..

    Clarify -- what were you likening those who use the word zygote to ? and have you never likened them to Nazi's in any way ?
     
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    Please stop changing your words. I did not call anyone Nazis other than Nazis.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You compared people who use the word zygotes to Nazi's in making Jews Subhuman ... did you not ?
     
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    Putting LETHAL firearms in the hands of the mentally unbalanced provides them with the means to INFLICT offensive physical violence.
     
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    All people are capable of offensive physical violence with or without weaponry. Fixating on this or that tool they might use helps noone, least of all the mentally ill or their victims. What they need is support in getting well -and not to be treated like criminals- before they become dangerous.
     
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    There is virtually ZERO mental healthcare in our nation but the gun obsessed INSIST that the mentally unbalanced MUST have access to firearms thereby ENSURING that WHEN they become dangerous they can INFLICT the MAXIMUM amount of harm on We the People.

    This NEFARIOUS support for the mentally unbalanced having access to firearms is PROFIT driven.

    The gun manufacturers don't GAF about who is killed or injured, they just use that FEAR to SELL more guns.

    So by pretending to be about "defense" you are actually SUPPORTING the greed of the gun merchants.

    Sad!
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you determine who is mentally unbalanced when selling guns?
     
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    Why is a zygote who you say is human not a legal person when all humans have legal rights?

    A human is a human. You said so yourself.
     
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    There is a difference between making a comparison and name calling.......
     
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    Is an acorn an oak tree? Try getting an oak tree without one.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Nope , I misread your statement....a human zygote is human...it is not A human as in legal person.

    Uh, that sentence isn't logical....""not a legal person when all humans have legal rights?""
    Just doesn't make sense.

    A zygote isn't a person. It is not A person.

    It is human...it is NOT A human as in legal person.




    A human is a human ...but my human gall bladder isn't...it is merely human.

    Look up "NOUNS" ( A human)....then look up "ADJECTIVES"...a human fingernail, a human ZEF...


    No one has legal rights until birth.

    Anti-Choicers want ZEFS to have more rights than anyone else.
     
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    An acorn is an acorn, not a tree
     
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    No acorn, no tree. No way around it.
    Unless you technically point out clones, if trees can be...
     
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    Polydectes said:
    You can play your gotcha game and that's adorable.

    But we all know it's a way to avoid the argument that you don't want to have.

    That's why I'm not playing with you

    Uh, you think that is "well said"?

    The poster said the other poster wanted to avoid the argument he didn't want to have...he 's referring to the poster who started the thread!!!!

    Why would that indicate that the OP didn't want to have an argument?

    It would indicate the opposite.


    When one says "you can play your gotcha game and that's adorable.

    But we all know it's a way to avoid the argument that you don't want to have.

    That's why I'm not playing with you""

    ....THAT is a poster who wants to avoid an argument....because he's losing or he'd be able to post more than that crap....

    GAWD, it's some common sense
     
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    Correct, no acorn, no tree... (WOW) ....so what.


    An acorn is an acorn, not a tree
     
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    Semantics, no egg no chicken. Are you saying that you could exist if you had never been a fetus?
     
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    No, I clearly said , " an acorn is not a tree"...that's why it's called an acorn and not called a tree...:roll:
     
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    Thats a hell of a conspiracy theory you've got there... but if you're right, then you might need to be able to be prepared to protect yourself from people with firearms. I'd recomend a used Ruger SP101 .357 in stainless. If you buy used, you wont be contributing to gun maker profits or Ruger's particularly unsavory politics. The SP101 has the best mix of versatility, reliability, concealability and potential stopping power. And being stainless, is unlikely to have suffered much from a neglectful previous owner.
     
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    Of geez not that stupid argument, they are PART of a human person. A human person is made up of many PARTS. And they would be a human finger and human arm.
     
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    And a baby is not an adult and that's why it is call a baby and called not call a tree and it is a human life not something else if it is a human. You do not understand the concept that there are different stages of life that humans and other life forms go through?
     
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    It's a distinction without merit a Human IS a human life and a Human life is a human. Can you point me to any humans who have ever existed who were not human life or any human life that has ever existed that was not a human?
     
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    And more failed arguments, yeah I remember when that was all the rage before it fell apart and then it was global cooling. But if that is what you believe will you be the first to voluntarily be sterilize or will the government have to force you?
     
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    I'm making the argument that a fertilized egg is fundamentally different than a finger or an arm.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, I clearly said , " an acorn is not a tree"...that's why it's called an acorn and not called a tree...:roll:


    Brilliant observation !!!! A zygote is not a baby and that's why it's called a zygote and not called a baby.



    Yes, different stages...like an acorn not being a tree....when it's an acorn it's called an acorn....when it's a tree it's called a tree.

    When it's a zygote it's called a zygote...when it's a teenager it's called a teenager.
     
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