Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    You obviously did not read anywhere in their report there is no global warming or the results they obtained deny global warming and you clearly cherry pick the above report to try conclude something it did not state and in fact remove it from so many other reports that say the opposite.

    In fact if anyone foies to the report you quote it clearly states to derive from the decrease in forest fires there is no global warming is FALSE.

    Here is what you deliberately ignored from the report Jack and its why I now call you out as being intellectually dishonest and am done with you:

    "Based on this global decline, your study has been used by some to argue that climate change has not made fires worse or even to deny the existence of anthropogenic climate change. Does your study provide any evidence to support these views?

    Not at all. The decline in global average area burned has indeed been misused to support false claims numerous times. There is strong evidence that the increase in fire activity sourcwe are seeing in many forested regions is indeed linked to climate change. Even the decrease in fire in tropical savannas that we just mentioned does not mean that climate change is not having an impact there too; actually, quite the opposite. This reduction has been in part attributed to conversion of savanna to agricultural land but, also, to shifting rainfall patterns that reduce the overall flammability of grasslands."

    source: https://royalsociety.org/blog/2020/10/global-trends-wildfire/

    Go on Jack, deny, cherry pick, misrepresent, ignore it all:

    https://placesjournal.org/article/t...Klv3GkrKMrxKh-P8YIVWo_QQF9FRIvrIaAh6xEALw_wcB

    https://becauseipcc.thesuccession.c...q5Dv3RQSuw48vipR_f7tD79EH7q0S8LgaAvilEALw_wcB

    https://www.c2es.org/content/wildfires-and-climate-change/

    https://climateatlas.ca/forest-fires-and-climate-change

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/climate-change-increases-risk-fires-western-us

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-how-global-warming-has-increased-us-wildfires

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-climate-change-is-affecting-wildfires-around-the-world

    https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/will-glob...s_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products

    https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/infographic-wildfires-and-climate-change
     
  2. Jack Hays

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    So . . . you've got nothing. I'm not the topic.
     
  3. Jack Hays

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    I have not claimed a link to global warming one way or the other. What I have claimed, and what is the clear Royal Society conclusion, is that globally wildfires have declined. So a claim that global warming has increased wildfires is false.
     
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    Bull **** you deliberatelynignored the very article yiu cherry picked I am done Jack. Play that **** with someone else.
     
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    You made yourself the topic cherry picking and deliberately misrepresenting what an article said. DONE.
     
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    No they weren't.
    You are the one who is either unable to read "POST numbers" or is disingenuously pretending not to be able to read it.
    You made all that up.
    See? I didn't ask you to post data again, I asked you to post the numbers of the posts in which you claim you have identified the subject you claim I am evading (which is apparently not the thread topic).
     
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    I don't recall Jack ever saying or implying there is no global warming.
    It's also not what Jack is calling into question.
     
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    That is a falsehood.
     
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    More about wildfire falsehoods.
    National Public Radio’s Misinformation on Wildfires and Climate: Part 2
    Charles Rotter
    All the climate models could do is project imagined disasters in the future. Rarely does the media mention the grass/fire cycle, or the dryness of ENSO cycles. Instead NPR…
    In 1994 the Harvard Business Review insightfully wrote, “The news media and the government are entwined in a vicious circle of mutual manipulation, mythmaking, and self-interest. Journalists need crises to dramatize news, and government officials need to appear to be responding to crises.” So it’s no surprise that NPR headlines hyped, Climate Change Is Driving Deadly Weather Disasters From Arizona To Mumbai claiming, “Heat waves. Floods. Wildfires…We know that climate change is to blame.” Nor is it surprising that the New York Times wrote, “climate change is a key culprit” for the American west’s wildfire disasters. And right on cue, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change warns “It’s code red for humanity”. But governments promise to fix the “crisis” by controlling your energy and social policies.

    Is the media honestly following the science, or once again engaging in “mutual manipulation, mythmaking, and self-interest”? . . . .
     
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    There is nothing false about what you omitted. You just disagree with it and like your colleagues you engage in this tactic where if you disagree with something you pretend it does not exist. Thanks Jack play it on someone else.
     
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    Nothing was omitted. I posted the Royal Society paper in its entirety, and their conclusion was plainly stated: global wildfires have declined.
     
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    Yah the conclusin was plainly stated about global warming and its connection for the fires which you deliberately ignored and now ignore again. Save it Jack. You have zero credibility with me and your attempt to ignore what it said about fires and their connection to global warming is the issue you deliberately misrepresented. You know damn well the issue was not about "declining "global fires but their connection to global warming. The more you respond the worse it gets Jack. Move on and debate someone else. I don't play. I ask people not misrepresent and cherry pick. I don't please if you want anyone to debate you don't.
     
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    Game, set, match.
    Global trends in wildfire and its impacts: perceptions versus ...
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org › doi › rstb.2015.0345


    by SH Doerr · 2016 · Cited by 269 — In addition to direct impacts on people and economic losses, fires also have other substantial effects on society through indirect impacts. Post ...
    Introduction · ‎Have fire impacts increased in many regions around the globe?

    Abstract
    Wildfire has been an important process affecting the Earth's surface and atmosphere for over 350 million years and human societies have coexisted with fire since their emergence. Yet many consider wildfire as an accelerating problem, with widely held perceptions both in the media and scientific papers of increasing fire occurrence, severity and resulting losses. However, important exceptions aside, the quantitative evidence available does not support these perceived overall trends. Instead, global area burned appears to have overall declined over past decades, and there is increasing evidence that there is less fire in the global landscape today than centuries ago. Regarding fire severity, limited data are available. For the western USA, they indicate little change overall, and also that area burned at high severity has overall declined compared to pre-European settlement. Direct fatalities from fire and economic losses also show no clear trends over the past three decades. Trends in indirect impacts, such as health problems from smoke or disruption to social functioning, remain insufficiently quantified to be examined. Global predictions for increased fire under a warming climate highlight the already urgent need for a more sustainable coexistence with fire. The data evaluation presented here aims to contribute to this by reducing misconceptions and facilitating a more informed understanding of the realities of global fire.

    This article is part of themed issue ‘The interaction of fire and mankind’.
     
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    Canada thinks it has declined:

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    and even the IPCC states:

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    You again deliberately ignore the words about global warming . Your attempts to ignore and omit are pathetic. On to ignore with your patently dishonest responses.
     
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    You again deliberately cherry pick andcignorecwhatbitvsaid about global warming. You are a joke.
     
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    It said nothing about global warming. Game. Set. Match.
     
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    You denied global warming is related to forest fires and you claim the decline proves no global warming. You continue to try weasel your way out of your misrepresentation with a deflection. I put you on ignore Jack. Go on keep trying to deflect from what you did. Pathetic. Your misrepresentation is there no matter what imaginary game you play. Go on keep playing with your balls.
     
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    Of course you didn't. You omitted thecwords I showed you ignored. You deliberately omitted those words because you attempt to use forest fires to downplay global warming and it contradicts your argument. What now Jack you wanna play you never linked declining fores fires to your downplaying of global warming and the words you omitted do not exist? Pathetic and Jack I am done now go deflectvall you want and join your other geniuses cherry picking rates like you out of context representing them and their correlation to global warming.

    The key to this is to ignore you and deny you exist. You know how that works.
     
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    There is in fact no evident statistical relationship. Global warming increases precipitation, which should reduce forest fires.
    He said no such thing, which is why you can't quote him saying it. You simply made it up.
    You made that up, too.
    Your imagination is running away with you.
     
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    So you are aggrieved that he post science research, that I post three more reports showing decline and you are ignoring all of it because you are upset?

    That is rich!
     
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    Global warming is not related to wildfires, which have declined as the world has warmed. I certainly don't deny warming, but I don't believe human activity has been the primary cause.
     
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    Wildfires have declined as the planet has warmed. Thus, warming does not increase wildfires. Can't say it more simply than that.
     
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