Biden's aproval rating drops to 41% in a new poll. Afghanistan pullout a disaster.

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  1. Matthewthf

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...pproval-41-usa-today-suffolk-poll/8244854002/

    Biden has been mostly over 50% approval ratings but now that's changed. His approval rating has dropped to 41% with 55% disapproving of Biden.

    It's just one poll but it still makes a good point. Many on here call us Republicans hypocrites and try to say we are attacking Biden for pulling us out of Afghanistan but that is a lie. We 100% support Biden getting us out of Afghanistan.

    The poll shows most Americans support Biden leaving Afghanistan but that they are unhappy with the way he handled the withdrawal.

    Only 26% of the people approved of Biden's handling of the withdrawal. 62% disapprove.

    87% of Democrats back him but only 32% of independents now support him Per the poll. It's just 1 poll so keep that in mind.

    Only 50% approve of his handling of the so called pandemic and only 39% for the economy.

    62% blamed George W Bush for starting the war and so do I. I have stated Bush is to blame and so is Obama and Trump for not pulling us out. Some of you keep trying to deflect back to us Republicans but this has nothing to do with us or Trump.

    Biden screwed up the withdrawal. He is 100% to blame for that and that's the issue most Americans have with him. Some in the poll say Biden put the blame on others and took no responsibility for it.

    Now only 7% in the poll actually blame Biden for the war. 15% blame Obama for not pulling us out after he said he would and 62% blame Bush for starting the war.

    84% agree the Afghan translators should get special refugee visa into the US. 79% of Republicans and 90% of Democrats. 73% believe the country will became a haven to terrorists and some compare it to a resurgence like ISIS.

    Now that it is clear very few people are against pulling out or blame Biden for the war will you Democrats and independents stop deflecting to Trump and Republicans and start criticizing Biden for his mistakes?

    Also he may rebound but if not the midterms will be a shellacking for the Democratic party as Biden would say.
     
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    I'm not partisan and I agree.

    Bush, Obama and Trump = useless on the Afghanistan war front.
    Biden = Inherited the clean-up and is getting it done. Not all that pretty but war never is.
     
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    Trump should have pulled us out before the election but he had it in his head he was going to win and that was his mistake.

    Obama said he would get us out but probably decided not to so he would not have this mess.

    Bush was a mistake. I regret voting for him. I was young and did not do any research. It was my first time voting and 9/11 happened. Bush should be 100% responsible for this mess.
     
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    Biden did inherit it but you have to admit he could of handled this alot better. Is he getting it done? Well we are leaving so on that yes he is. If your referring to getting out the Americans and refugees time will tell on that.
     
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    I think this will also come back to haunt Biden in 2024 if he runs again. He said he does not know if he will run and after this I doubt he will.

    How will this affect Kamala if she runs? Is she not partly responsible for this mess too?
     
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    I don't believe he believed he would win the election. In fact, I think he KNEW he wouldn't.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...g-31st-deadline.591442/page-2#post-1072883815

    I didn't really follow politics back then. I interned in a political office in my first year of college and hated every second of it. I wanted NOTHING to do with any of those monsters. I only hold my nose and force myself to understand it now because I have children and their futures matter to me.

    Don't beat yourself up over it. We all make mistakes (even when we're middle-aged and old).*

    Personally, I think it's wrong that elected officials don't have to have military service. I don't think they all need to be officers or lifers but maybe a CLUE about how that side of things work would help them stop jumping in the deep end head first over getting into endless wars.




    * Funny story - A friend of mine called me a couple weeks ago because she has a crazy mother like my crazy mother. Her mom is hysterical and wants her to rush over immediately but won't tell her why. She gets there and her mom is screaming and throwing things. Come to find out she's furious because she just found out that her live-in boyfriend has been having an affair. Her mom and the guy are in their early 90s. So, my friend and her husband rent a truck, go pack up her mom's stuff, get it moved (she said her mom is a pack rat so they ended up with FOUR storage units). They find a place for her to move into and help her get settled.

    Get this. She just found out a couple days ago there was no affair and her mother was just being a psycho. I'm saving that one for anytime I want to beat myself up for making a mistake.
     
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    I not only admitted it, I condemned him for it.

    This goes back to what I just posted to you. If he had more firsthand knowledge of the military and war, some of this could have been reworked better.

    In reality, war is always awful so this *event* would have probably looked the same way under ANYBODY on the hot seat.

    I've been trying to keep my military friends from losing their minds over this. My brother made it home safely about four years ago but he's still got friends over there as do some of my military friends. It's tough. I'm trying to hold them together until our soldiers, civilians and allies reach safety.
     
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    I had 2 brothers in Iraq. War is very ugly.
     
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    You said "had". Did they not make it out?
     
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    Well 1 made it out. The other still lives there in his head. He is suffering from PTSD and paces alot talking to himself. He is only in his 30's and soon to be on social security. He should have been on it years ago and his meds from the VA dont always work. His vehicle hit a ID in Iraq and he suffered some brain damage.
     
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    so more excuses for Biden and more blame shifting
    Well done!
    Not!
     
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    When did I shift blame or make excuses for Biden?
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that. I also have PTSD. It's awful. I wish him all the best, man.
     
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    Who exactly are the people who are not criticizing Biden for his mistakes? Other than some (very few) ultra-partisan posters, some far-left posters, the overwhelming majority of posters here, just like in this poll, blame Biden for the execution of the withdrawal although they support the idea of getting out of Afghanistan.

    Me, I'm for pulling out, and against the way Biden has handled it, and I fully blame him for that. Like I said in a thread I started, he's not the ONLY one I blame. I think the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies screwed up too.

    Unlike you I don't blame Bush for *starting* the war. After 9/11 we had to react. We had to go there and kick Al Qaeda's and the Taliban's asses. We did do that. I do blame Bush for staying there, and I blame Obama and Trump for staying there. I don't believe in nation-building at all, in a place of authoritarian tradition. We can't force them to modernize and become democratic, so it's a waste of American lives, resources, and tax-payer's money.

    I'm not happy with the handling of the pandemic. This was *my* main reason to vote Trump out, hoping that a change of leadership in the CDC and the FDA would make things better. Well, that's not what happened. The CDC continued to commit blunders (such as celebrating victory too soon when every serious scientist - and that includes me - knew that Delta was coming) and the FDA took damn too long to grant full approval to Pfizer (finally done this Monday). Also, I was expecting a massive public education campaign, non-politicized, about masks and vaccines and I see none. Advanced N95 and higher masks have not been domestically produced with the Defense Production Act. Some American companies that actually started making them, were unsupported and saw their products rotting in shelves. Monoclonal antibody distribution wasn't correctly emphasized.

    Basically things continue to be just as bad, in terms of pandemic response, and I'm very disappointed in Biden for this.

    I think his VP is a terrible, terrible choice; an incompetent, strident, vacuous narcissist who is only out for her own interest, and is a rather unpleasant person.

    Too much stimulus is driving up inflation.

    So, yes, at this point, list me among those who disapprove of the job Biden is doing.

    I still think that the last guy was even worse, though. But the bottom line is that they were both terrible. I picked the slightly lesser evil but both are/were inadequate as POTUS.
     
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    It's bad news when even the liberal MSM have trouble spinning things for the good.
     
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    Democrats willing to say they blame Biden is worth as much as Biden saying the buck stops with him.

    Meaningless.
     
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    Sorry. Not all injuries are visible.
     
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    I'm not a Democrat. I'm independent. Yes, I do blame Biden. Just, I don't JUST blame Biden.
     
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    Maybe they didn't falsify polls before either, you just didn't like the results, so you reported to the "fake news" claim. Now that you like what you see, they are suddenly legit. LOL.

    I don't know if Biden it going to make the whole 4 years. He might be forced to step down.
     
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    Yup - Biden has dropped down to where Trump was for four years.
     
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    Biden is solely responsible this debacle during departure. He has been president for seven months. Any fault of any other president has nothing to do with this departure and he had ample time to correct any problems left by a previous president. It was ill planned, if it was planned at.
     
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    Well, you are being hypocritical if you think Biden is a disaster because his approval numbers are in the 40's and
    didn't feel the same way about Trump who spent his entire 4 years in the 40's, sometimes the 30's. Just say'n.
     
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    I've never questioned the polls. But, this one is from the liberal left USA Today. So, why are you now dismissing this? It's clear we Americans want him gone. I'll take Harris. At least she can think, talk and remember conversations.
     
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    Any one of those previous presidents could have just pulled up stakes and left allowing a big hot mess. They didn't, because that's a terrible decision and outcome.
     

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