Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban Now has Over 200 Military Aircraft — Ranks them as #26 in List of Na

It is junk posts like the above that cause me to refuse to read books by Democrats favoring authors.
We see things happen yet are told lies about the events.

Take the Kurds as one example. Not one oz. of proof we abandoned them. Biden is abandoning millions in Afghanistan to the Taliban.

 

Putin has been the Democrats whipping boy. But compare what Obama did vs Trump and Trump came down on Put in with a steel hammer compared to Obama.

Biden seems quite friendly to Putin.

 

He made it very clear it was ISIS. You are not up to speed.

That's what a pull-out is all about. We spent a trillion dollars to give them every opportunity to stand on their own feet, but they refused to do that. Why? Because even the Afghans we trained are of the same heart as the Taliban. We were always the foreign occupier to them, and they took advantage of our money and resources as long as we were willing to give it to them, but they were quick to join the Taliban when they realized they will be running the country.

LOL. Thanks for the laugh.

 

uh huh

how the withdrawal was handled as well as arms left behind is all on this admin

You can try and insult people but your Democrat vote brought this; own it

Democrat votes have consequences

 

To restate the obvious (because you've apparently forgotten) TRUMP was the one who penned the peace deal with the Taliban. That deal included the commitment to withdraw that the US is now complying with. True it may be little earlier than expected but that's because because the whole rotten house of cards that was the former Afgan Government fell over more quickly than expected, not withstanding that was always going to one the US withdrew direct support and turned down (if not completely off) the money tap.

Regardless the deal also meant the effective termination/withdrawal of all active military support for the Afghan Government. So no US air cover for Afghan ground units, no active command and control assets and no access to US air reconnaissance or intelligence analysis resources. Furthermore the equipment in question (and not all of it is of US origin) was the property of the Afghan Government, courtesy of every US administration since the US and its Allies went in 20 years ago. Which lest memory fails me means both Republican and Democrat Presidencies were responsible for handing over all the goodies.

So OK then. Given ALL of the above (and since you obviously a military an logistical genius) please explain exactly how Biden was supposed to get all the important equipment out of the country in the time available or otherwise continue to militarily support the Afghani forces (other than by letting them procure spare parts an munitions)? With luck and a little bit of planning any really sensitive items the US did not want to leave behind will have been disabled or destroyed already. What they haven't destroyed/removed? Tough luck its too late, adapt to the new situation and learn any lessons there are to learn from this mess. All the rest of the gear? Without spare parts and skilled maintenance crews all the complex weapons systems and air assets it will be junk in a couple of years.

P.S. None of the above means I think Bidesn's done a good job handling the withdrawal. That may or may not turn out to be all down to him BTW - a lot will depend on what advice he was given and when. But botched withdrawal or not. Biden didn't pen the deal Trump did. So then, tell us are you going to rail against TRUMP as well or is this just one eyed partisanship as usual?

 

Trump negotiated a CONDITIONS BASED withdrawal.

I will break that down for you: that means if the CONDITIONS ARE RIGHT, a withdrawal would commence/continue.

It does NOT mean, withdraw, regardless of CONDITIONS, to satisfy the nutty likes of Rob Reiner.

 

The conditions became 'right' the moment Afghani provinces began folding and the army deserting en-mass a few weeks ago. The only way to stop that? Go back in with all available military force and keep manning levels (and money flows ) where they were at the peak of Allied involvement. And then keep them at high levels once 'order' was restored indefinitely. You up for that?

 

P.S. Read the 'treaty" in summery the conditions 'imposed' on the Taliban are virtually meaningless. And terms like 'conditions are right' equally so. Trump wanted out, full stop. That's not necessarily bad policy mind you, but the 'deal maker' was so keen for a deal and a chance to say he'd succeeded that he signed a piece of paper that virtually gave the Taliban card blanche to do whatever they wanted. They just took the ball and ran with it.

 

I have some News for you - TRUMP is not The President right now. Biden CHANGED Trump's deal - for POLITICAL reasons - that exploded in his face.

 

Progressive liberals break down in tears when a puppy whimpers but are keen to abandon live human Americans and live human Afghan friendlies - for political reasons.

It is sickening.

 

AND AGAIN BULLCRAP ...

The one who started the retreat in all consequences was Trump and for me new that he is a Democrat. No ... I'm not defending the idiot Biden, but whoever accuses Biden must also accuse Donald Trump. Anyone who doesn't do this is just a hypocritical idiot who ignores unpleasant facts. And by the way ... I am not an American, but my country fought together with you as an ally in Afghanistan and therefore this mess affects me as well!

And what sort of weapons were left behind is clear and easy ... all things what was handed over by the US to the ANA (Afghan National Army) and ANP (Afghan National Police) ...
because the US provided most of the equipment and weapons for both of them. Just inform yourself about this equipment program and then you know what is now in the hands of the Taliban ... very easy, isn't it?

 

Nice ... and you really believe that the Taliban are so credible that they would have followed it when Trump would have been right now President? really? If yes, then you believe the worst bullcrap ...

 

or waiting some weeks / few month ... because then they are all just not usable decoration on the bases ...

Think about it, how often does a UH-60 have to be serviced by maintenance crews so that it can fly? Who is supposed to do the maintenance, or do you think that there is enough trained maintenance staff in the Taliban, eh?
And even if they find a few, e.g. ex ANA soldiers who are forced by the Taliban to do it ... at some point, spare parts will be needed quickly and you can't buy them at every f *** ing bazaar! So then cannibalism begins, which means that one helicopter after the other is cannibalized for spare parts in order to keep others fit to fly ... and that ends very quickly with the 30 to 40 UH-60s ...
and also with everythig else too ...

 

Try insult people? You are not people you are you. I have not insulted you. I have avoided personal comments. I do though find your attempts to blame what is going on in Afghanistan on Biden or insult and stereotype Democrats simplistic to the point of moronic.

 

Well, I dare say the Taliban will appreciate this equipment more then Afghan forces. (I'm not making a joke here).

And actually, the Taliban now is the Afghan forces. If they keep ISIS at bay and allow basic education and improved conditions for women compared to their last attempt, it will certainly be an improvement on pre-invasion Afghanistan.

I'm just thinking laterally here. Well that stuff was going to fall into Taliban hands, anyhow.

 

How did he change it and what changes resulted in what happened that would have not happened under Trump. Finish it. Can any of you Trumpets complete an accusation with any kind of thought process?

 

The falsity in that claim is that the Afghans never had the ability to maintain or fly all the aircraft that were being paid for by the American taxpayer. That error resides with Bush, Obama and Trump.

The Taliban do not have an air force. They cannot operate what they have taken in battle from the Afghans. Planes and helicopters without pilots or maintenance crews and a steady supply of parts are just parked piles of aviation junk.

With the exception of a very limited number of units in the Afghan military, the entire Afghan armed forces were a jobs program, a welfare program and an opportunity to steal vast amounts of money and hardware. The Afghan army was never the 300,000 claimed. Their air forces were never the 7100 claimed. Those numbers are at least double the reality of what existed if all those actually serving in some capacity were counted.

Biden did not lose the war or give anything away. That is not his role is the disaster. The prior three Presidents lost the war, beginning with Bush and ending with Trump.

Biden's failure is a doozy, but let's blame him for what he did not what partisans want to pin on him as a diversion from admitting their own sides abject stupidity.

Biden's failure was first in sticking with Trump's plan to make nice with the Taliban. Then, as changes on the ground were plain as day to all who were paying attention, Biden ignored those changes. Evacuation of Americans, our allies and their families should have begun in earnest six months ago. Instead, Biden decided to trust the Taliban to cooperate and let our people out of the country.

Biden repeated the lies of the last twenty years. The massive and professional Afghan military that in truth, never existed. The powerful Afghan air force that in truth could operate, fly and maintain only a small number of its aircraft.

With respect to Afghanistan, Biden's mistake, his failure and shame are the same as Bush, Obama and Trump.

All Washington DC politicians who believed their own administrations hopeful lies and failed to comprehend the true nature of the problems on the ground.

 

This was the equipment for the ANA and ANP ... and yes, now in hand of Taliban! But is this now a new scenario? No!
Think about all the equipment left behind in Vietnam or on Iraq ... or what do you think from whom the North Vietnamese had suddenly a noteable fleet of Huye helicopters for example or from whom the ISIS had suddenly some M1A1 Abrams tanks and masses of Humvees too?

So yes ... the Taliban will change their AK-47 with AR-15 and so on and also drive a bunch of Humvees ... but about the high tech equipment I would have only the worry if they sell it to other enemies of the USA. But if they stay in country, well the countdown still has started until they are worthless not useable crap due to lack of maintenance and spare parts!

 

Biden did not alter Trump's lousy deal with the Taliban other than to extend the exit date by a few months. Trump planned to leave no matter if the Taliban accomplished any agreed to goals. In fact, the Taliban were actively violating Trump's deal even as it was being negotiated, and continued to do so non-stop to this current moment.

Biden only allowed our forces more time to exit. Biden's failure is in sticking to Trump's deal and not altering it, not reacting to the changing threats on the ground.

 

The above is incoherent simplistic Trumpism.

Here are the actual facts:


1-April 14, 2021,Biden set Sept. 11 as the deadline for withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan;
2- July Biden set August 31 as the deadline to withdraw
3-February 2020, during Trum's tenure the US and the Taliban signed a peace agreement titled the Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan or Doha Agreement) to withdrawall regular American and NATO troops from Afghanistan and whereby the Taliban promised to stop al-Qaeda from operating in areas under Taliban control
4-Trump agreed to an initial reduction from 13,000 to 8,600 troops by July 2020, followed by a full withdrawal by 1 May 2021 if the Taliban kept its commitments
5-when Biden was elected he said the US would not begin withdrawing until May 1, 2021 and would complete the withdrawal before September 11, 2021 and then on July 8, specified a US withdrawal of August 31

At NO TIME did Trump indicate the Taliban broke their side of the bargain.

Trump ONLY began complaining AFTER he left office.

Up until he he lost the election Trump pushed the withdrawal.

Trump in fact repeatedly defended the agreement he entered into to withdraw the troops.

The Trumpets on this board selectively ignore the agreement Trump entered into.

They now try use what has happened as a partisan excuse to engage in yet another exercise in simplistic moronic name calling.

If you ask a Trumpet what did Biden do Trump would not have done they have no answer. They simply salivate on cue for Trump. They haven't a clue what agreement Biden inherited or what the current withdrawal problems are and how if Trump was in power they would have been identical.

The logistics of withdrawing are always problematic and the fact is Trump long before Biden got elected had time and should have withdrawn people now caught there and he did not. Biden inherited Trump's mess and Trumpets pretend. They ignore what Trump did and pretend Biden acts in a vacuum.

 

Yep - I'm having a hard time following it all. First, Trump releases Taliban from prison and cuts a deal with him. He praised them at the time. Now they are the devil. Then, the US leaves bases and equipment behind for the Afghani army, but Biden is at fault for it falling into Taliban hands.

 

The Talibs might probably be able to move some choppers. But not the fighter jets. They'll be just standing around and rust.

BTW, Afghan military morning exercise.

 

I don't but you knew yer blanket statement was a fallacy.

 

They only seek to adulate Trump in anything they do, thus a cult.

 

they look like some pretty good break dancers