Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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    You defined yourself

    The word regret clearly means that God "Regret's" his action = wishes he would not have done it it the first place = the definition of a mistake.

    If God knew that humans would turn evil - but made them that way anyway - there is nothing to regret. The text states " he (God) regretted making humans" - because they were so evil.
     
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    And I highly recommend you try to understand Almighty God The Creator by thoroughly reading His Best Selling Book of All-Time The Holy Bible before going even one step further in this.

    Nobody has proven and established any realities as far as creation is concerned. We all have our creation beliefs. Nobody can prove/disprove Almighty God and that's a fact, that's reality.

    What else is there? If there is no God, then nothing created everything that is in existence. To me that would be illogical because from nothing, nothing comes. There is no 3rd choice. It's either Almighty God The Creator or nothing. Because I have a logical thinking mind it's just logical that a Being who is Eternal, who has always existed, is the Creator of everything that exists, Almighty God The Creator!

    Well that's your individual belief, that's your God given gift of free will to choose to believe or not believe in Him. It's long dead fictional "Belief" for you but others don't see it the same way as you. Certainly not I for one.

    Look don't get me wrong, I'm not here trying to convince you to believe in Almighty God The Creator. You and others come to my thread and throw out questions and comments and I respond to them with a Christian believer's perspective.

    But anyway judging from this post of yours you seem to suggest this quantum physics/mechanics is solely responsible for creation. The reality is, it is an application of mathematics used to describe the behavior of matter and energy at an unimaginably tiny scale. Let me present this article from one of my Christian sites that I subscribe to. It answers the question: Is belief in God compatible with quantum physics? You will probably be shocked and dismayed after you read it all being that you're an unbeliever of Almighty God The Creator! I guess this will prove you didn't fully understand this quantum physics/mechanics after all for you to bring it to my attention. Ok below is the article:

    Quantum physics, also known as quantum mechanics, is an application of mathematics used to describe the behavior of matter and energy at an unimaginably tiny scale. Even more than other specialized fields within the sciences, it is extraordinarily difficult to explain quantum theories in layman’s terms. Not only does quantum mechanics involve higher-level physics, but much of what happens at the quantum level is counterintuitive. That is, it does not follow the same flow of cause and effect we see at larger scales. Merely expressing what occurs at the quantum level sometimes requires an exceptional grasp of mathematics and physics.

    The theories of quantum physics help explain why changes in physical objects at nanoscopic scales only occur in discrete amounts, known as quanta, as well as why these objects appear to act as both waves and particles. Quantum mechanics also shows that, at these tiny distances, cause-and-effect relationships work according to probabilities rather than determined, specific results. Like most other physical theories, quantum physics was developed over many decades through the work of many different scientists. As models go, however, it is a relatively recent one, having only been accepted by the general scientific community for the past one hundred years or so.

    In common experience, quantum physics rarely makes a noticeable impact. Part of the difference between classical and quantum physics is that quantum-level interactions occur according to a probability curve, not a well-defined, absolute cause-and-effect response. However, as a system includes more and more interactions, the probability of some extreme result lessens. Thus, large-scale systems are, in fact, well-defined and absolute and can be predicted with accuracy. The value of quantum mechanics lies in explaining these tinier transactions, which is useful in theoretical physics and high-level design, but practically meaningless to the average person’s daily experience.
    Two aspects of quantum physics are often cited when discussing God or religion. The first is the nature of observed cause and effect in quantum-level interactions. Actions and reactions at the quantum level can appear to violate barriers such as the speed of light and/or to occur without a logical relationship between cause and effect.

    Depending on how one chooses to interpret the observations, this property either makes God’s existence seem more likely, as it provides an unpredictable opening for some unknown “choice”; or it makes God’s existence less likely, since it makes what is normally considered impossible just a question of long odds.

    The second common issue relating quantum physics to spirituality is the Many Worlds hypothesis. This stems from the wave-particle duality demonstrated by quantum physics and the necessity for probability rather than an objective, determined system. Since there are many possible states of a measured system and no objective way to know which ones do or do not exist, some philosophers claim that all of them exist, simultaneously, in parallel universes. Of course, there is no possible physical evidence to support this. The theory persists mostly because it serves to deflect fine-tuning and intelligent design arguments, as well as evidence suggesting a universe of a finite age.

    The Bible claims God’s handiwork can be seen in creation (Psalm 19:1; Romans 1:20). The early pioneers of modern physics were mostly theists, particularly Christians, and they didn’t see their discoveries as eliminating God. Rather, they saw them as illuminating God’s methods. John Polkinghorne is an example of this in action, specifically involving quantum physics. Polkinghorne, a lifelong Christian, is one of the scientists responsible for discovering the sub-nuclear particles known as quarks, a critical part of the quantum model. He retired after twenty-five years teaching at Cambridge in order to become an Anglican priest. His scientific credentials are such that even aggressive anti-theists, such as Richard Dawkins, are at a loss to write off his faith as delusion or confusion.

    Ultimately, what impact quantum mechanics has on one’s view of God has little to do with physics and much to do with personal intentions. The scientific method has been an extremely successful way of discovering how God accomplished certain parts of His creative work. Learning the physical mechanisms of the universe doesn’t change the fact that there is a Designer and Creator who put them into place. Quantum physics, like any other scientific discipline, is perfectly compatible with the Bible’s teaching of God.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/God-and-quantum-physics.html
     
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    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    It stands to reason that the Ottoman assault of Europe in WW1 was not begun with the thought of losing, being driven back to Turkey and ceding their empire to the allies. Or that after WW2, part of that territory would become the home for the rebirth and gathering of Israel. Nevertheless the Turks assault did set the stage for that event and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy. I wonder what the Muslim world thinks of that and if they have a greater regard for the God of Israel. Or do they ignore the miracle and hate them all the more.
     
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    That all makes perfect sense to me....
    the animals, trees, oceans, even the rocks
    are still waiting for humans to wake up from their illusions
    and stop their destruction.
    The mega-churches are not going to wake them up.
     
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    Yes. Interesting observation.
    Can you please explain...."the Jesus character whined" part of your post?
     
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    Well that rebirth and gathering of Israel happened a long time ago after WW2. Ever since 1948, there has been great hostility between Israel and its Arab neighbors. We hear a continuing obsession with wiping out "the Zionist entity" and reversing the results of 1948. So I believe this should answer your wondering of what the Muslim world thinks.

    The bottom line is that these Muslims don't believe Israel has a right to exist as a nation, they don't believe that Almighty God The Creator gave the descendants of Jacob, grandson of Abraham the land they now occupy as a nation.

    We Read in Scripture:

    7 Then the Lord appeared to Abram and said, “I will give this land to your descendants.” And Abram built an altar there and dedicated it to the Lord, who had appeared to him. Genesis 12:7 NLT

    Note: Almighty God changed Abram's name to Abraham to establish a new identity. Abram's name, meaning "high father," to Abraham, meaning "father of a multitude".

    We Read in Scripture:

    5 What’s more, I am changing your name. It will no longer be Abram. Instead, you will be called Abraham, for you will be the father of many nations. Genesis 17:5 NLT
     
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    Compare and contrast that verse with the passage in John 15:5-7 =

    Matthew 27:46 (CEB) = 46 At about three Jesus cried out with a loud shout, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani,” which means, “My God, my God, why have you left me?”

    John 15:5-7 (CEB) = 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, then you will produce much fruit. Without me, you can’t do anything.6 If you don’t remain in me, you will be like a branch that is thrown out and dries up. Those branches are gathered up, thrown into a fire, and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.

    So, the question is: what did the Jesus character do that caused God to turn away from him? Did Jesus leave God or did God leave Jesus? Since Jesus was crucified (thrown into the fire) it should be obvious that he was at fault per John 15:6. Otherwise, if John 15:7 is to be believed, God would have rescued Jesus since it is obvious by his plea that he didn't want to die.
     
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    Well that is your own personal interpretation but of course as usual you're wrong because that's not the message received by Christians....by non-Christians such as yourself...yeah that's the nonsensical message that you would get...lol Noah had a giant barbecue? Do you know what he barbecued?...lol

    The message was really about Almighty God's judgment of sin, in that He does judge sin and takes action on it, meaning He hands out punishment for sins. I will present an in-depth explanation to His justification of getting rid of the filthy evil human trash that inhabited the entire earth at the time excluding Noah and his family members of 7 others. Noah and his family were the only righteous among the rests of the populated world. So yeah it was really about Almighty God dealing with the evil at the time and taking justifiable action on a world-wide scale. Here below is that thorough in-depth explanation from one of my favorite Christian sites that I subscribe to regarding the Great Flood during the days of Noah. It answers the question: How was the flood in the time of Noah just?

    The global flood of Noah’s day was the direct judgment of a just God. The Bible says the flood wiped out “people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds”—everything that breathed air (Genesis 7:23). Some people today are offended by the flood story, saying it is proof of God’s injustice, arbitrariness, or just plain meanness. They accuse the Bible of promoting a temperamental God who judges indiscriminately and say that only a bully would drown everyone, including children and all those innocent animals.

    Such attacks on the character of God are nothing new. As long as there have been sinners in the world, there have been charges that God is unjust. Consider Adam’s subtle shifting of blame. When asked about eating the forbidden fruit, Adam said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit” (Genesis 3:12). That is, it was the woman’s fault, and God’s, since He made the woman. But blaming God did not mitigate Adam’s sin. And calling God “unjust” for sending the flood will not lessen ours.

    The flood of Noah’s day has many counterparts in history. God judged the people of Canaan with a command to wipe them out (Deuteronomy 20:16– 18 He similarly judged Sodom and Gomorrah, Nineveh (Nahum 1:14), and Tyre (Ezekiel 26:4). And the final judgment before the Great White Throne will result in all the wicked from all time being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). The plain message of the Bible is that God does judge sin, whether by an invading army, by fire and brimstone, or by a catastrophic global flood.

    The flood was just because God commanded it (and God is just). “The LORD is upright . . . and there is no wickedness in him” (Psalm 92:15). “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of [God’s] throne” (Psalm 89:14). God always does what is right. His decrees and judgments are always just. If He decreed that the whole world be flooded, then He was just in doing so, no matter what human skeptics say. It is not surprising that we tend to define justice in a way that will benefit ourselves.

    The flood was just because mankind was evil. “The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time” (Genesis 6:5). We cannot fully imagine the extent of the wickedness of that day. We have never seen the like. The evil was “great,” and every thought of everyone’s heart was only evil continually. There was no goodness in the world; every person was wholly corrupted. There was nothing within them that was not evil. The people of Noah’s day were not dabblers in sin; they had taken the plunge, and everything they did was an abomination.

    The text provides some clues as to the extent of the evil before the flood. One problem was the rampant violence: “The earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence” (Genesis 6:11). The descendants of Cain, the first murderer, were abounding in bloodshed. Another evil among the antediluvians was occult sexuality. Genesis 6:1–4 mentions the Nephilim, “heroes of old, men of renown” who were the products of a union between fallen angels and human woman. The demons who participated in this sin are currently in “chains of darkness . . . reserved for judgment” (2 Peter 2:4). The people who participated—and the Nephilim themselves—were destroyed in the flood. The biblical description of pre-flood humanity is that they had become totally hardened and beyond repentance. Things were so bad that “the Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled” (Genesis 6:6).

    But what about the children who drowned? The fact is that sin affects all of society, not just those who intentionally engage in evil. When a society promotes abortion, babies die as a result. When a father or mother begins taking meth, their children will suffer as a result. And, in the case of Noah’s generation, when a culture gives itself over to violence and aberrant sexuality, the children suffered. Humanity brought the flood upon themselves and upon their own children.

    The flood was just because all sin is a capital offense. “The wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). We should not be shocked that God swept away the world’s population with the flood; we should be shocked that He hasn’t done something similar to us! Sinners tend to have a light view of sin, but all sin is worthy of death. We take God’s mercy for granted, as if we deserve it, but we complain about God’s justice as if it’s somehow unfair, as if we don’t deserve it.

    The flood was just because the Creator has the right to do as He pleases with His creation. As the potter can do whatever he wants with the clay on his wheel, so God has the right to do as He pleases with the work of His own hands. “The LORD does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths” (Psalm 135:6).

    Here is the most amazing part of the flood story: “Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord” (Genesis 6:8 )God’s grace extended into His damaged, sin-stained creation and preserved one man and his family. In so doing, God preserved the whole human race through the godly line of Seth. And, in bringing the animals into the ark, God also preserved the rest of His creation. So, God’s judgment was not a total annihilation; it was a reset.

    As always, God’s judgment in Noah’s time was accompanied by grace. The Lord is a “compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished” (Exodus 34:6–7, emphasis added). God would rather the wicked repent and live (Ezekiel 18:23). God delayed judgment on the Amorites for four hundred years (Genesis 15:16). God would have spared Sodom for the sake of even ten righteous people dwelling there (Genesis 18:32). But, eventually, His judgment must fall.

    It took Noah up to a hundred years to build the ark. We can assume that, if other people had wanted to board the ark and be saved, they could have done so. But that would have required faith. Once God shut the door, it was too late; they had lost their chance (Genesis 7:16). The point is that God never sends judgment without prior warning. As commentator Matthew Henry said, “None are punished by the justice of God, but those who hate to be reformed by the grace of God.”

    The global flood of Noah’s day was a just punishment of sin. Those who say the flood was unjust probably don’t like the idea of judgment to begin with. The story of Noah is a vivid reminder that, like it or not, there is another judgment coming: “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man” (Matthew 24:37). Are you ready, or will you be swept away?

    https://www.gotquestions.org/flood-just.html

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 He is the Rock; his deeds are perfect. Everything he does is just and fair. He is a faithful God who does no wrong; how just and upright he is! Deuteronomy 32:4 NLT
     
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    First, there are several specific Gods in the Bible. Please use the name of the one you are talking about.

    Noah ”barbecued” a large percentage of the animals that he had just ”saved”.

    Genesis 8:20 (LEB) = ”And Noah built an altar to Yahweh, and he took from all the clean animals and from all the clean birds, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.”

    The Noah story is just a war story. It is repeated in several places throughout the Old Testament. A flip side is the story where Saul is commanded to kill all of the enemy and all of their animals. Saul wimped out and show a smidgen of mercy and that ticked off the God (the emperor) to the point that he regretted ever making Saul a king.

    There is no celestial deity of any kind in this solar system. There never has been and there never will be. The biblical God character bit the dust when the last Babylonian emperor croaked and he is never, ever, coming back. That is why he hasn't been seen or heard from for over 2,500 years. He was just a man.
     
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    Just as no one can prove/disprove Almighty God The Creator exists, no one can prove/disprove the Holy Bible is a non-fictional book.

    So the bottom line is that believers have faith that God exists and that the Holy Bible is the Word of God and so it is a non-fictional book.

    Whereas unbelievers have faith that God does not exist and that the Holy Bible is a book of fiction.

    The point being here is that no one and I mean absolutely no one on either side can prove/disprove anything.

    The believers know there is a God because we know the truth about God, He has made it obvious to us. We have the Holy Bible, there is nature, there is man, and there is logic.

    What do unbelievers have for them to believe the way they do? I have absolutely no idea what they have except the "state of denial" that my friend WanRen mentioned above in his post. So they really have no excuse for not knowing Almighty God The Creator!

    We Read in Scripture:

    "They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God."---Romans 1:19-20 NLT
     
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    Yes, sly it was a world flood more commonly known as the Great Flood of Noah. But no sly, no cultures that existed before the flood existed right after the flood...that would be the lie, because it would be impossible. Almighty God told us He destroyed all life except for Noah and his family of 7 others and pairs of all kinds of animals...a male and a female... so again it would be impossible for any cultures to be existent right after the flood. But yes, after a while when the world got re-populated again then cultures began to re-emerge. How long was it after the flood?...no one knows for sure because Almighty God didn't tell us, so it would be just speculation a guess if you will.

    We Read in Scripture:

    17 “Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die. 18 But I will confirm my covenant with you. So enter the boat—you and your wife and your sons and their wives. 19 Bring a pair of every kind of animal—a male and a female—into the boat with you to keep them alive during the flood. 20 Pairs of every kind of bird, and every kind of animal, and every kind of small animal that scurries along the ground, will come to you to be kept alive. 21 And be sure to take on board enough food for your family and for all the animals.” Genesis 6:17-21 NLT
     
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    Predetermination does not mean Almighty God programmed people like a computer. If that were the case then there is no such thing as "free will". But everyone knows there is that gift of "free will" that Almighty God has given to each and everyone of us. The Holy Bible teaches us human responsibility which implies "free will".

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    7 “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! Matthew 18:7 ESV

    In the verse above when Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ says that it is necessary that temptations/sins come, He is speaking of predetermination. When He pronounces a woe on those through whom sins come, He speaks of personal responsibility.

    So in essence Almighty God's predetermination does not negate our accountability in the choices we make. Bottom line Almighty God is sovereign, yet our choices are real. And so no, we are not programmed like a computer in the sense that we have no "free will" that our actions were predetermined.

    If it were the case it would essentially be saying that when we commit sins, it is not our fault, so we are not accountable for them, it was Almighty God that made us commit those sins....this line of thinking of course is ludicrous!

    The truth is, each and everyone of us are accountable for our own sins and so we can't be falsely believing we were programmed to do them...again I repeat...this line of thinking of course is ludicrous!

    Just as we have the free will choice to sin or not to sin, we have the free will choice to believe or not to believe in Almighty God The Creator! He is not predetermining who He wants to believe in Him and who He wants to not believe in Him. He is giving each and everyone of us our own "free will" choice on that very important decision. Almighty God has already told us in Scripture that the majority of us will choose to not believe in Him. He knows this because He is omniscient.

    In the entire world right now we have approximately 7 billion people living with only a little less than 30% of the people practicing Christians. Oh yes indeed! Almighty God The Creator is omniscient! He has predetermined because of His omniscience that the majority of people will not be in His Kingdom of Heaven, a choice these people freely made on their own due to their unbelief in Almighty God The Creator!

    We Read in Scripture:

    The Narrow Gate

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT
     
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    Haven't you seen the silliness in the Noah story yet?

    The ark was of a limited size, large enough to hold pairs of every kind of animal and their food for over a year. Noah gets off the boat and kills lots of animals and roasts them. So, where did the other animals come from to replace the slaughtered ones? Noah and his sons didn't knock-up the women until after they got off the ark.
     
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    Silly people only see silliness when they are in denial of truth!...that's what you are...silly! Haven't you seen the silliness of your belief yet?...that's what you call genuine silliness.

    You are silly enough to believe everything in existence came about from nothing. That's how silly you are, silly enough to believe that "nothing" created everything in existence. Yet the ironic thing is that you believe in science like most of your kind but when science tells you something that is so fundamentally logically true in that 'from nothing, nothing comes' you shrug that off...how silly of you!

    So in your silly, illogical mind, "nothing" created everything in existence, everything just popped into existence from out of no where, for no apparent reason...poof!...and there came everything...ludicrously silly! There was no "something" that caused it, it was "nothing" that caused it for no apparent reason according to your silly illogical mind. So people like you believe that when you die you become just nothing, no awareness of anything but just simply in a dead state of nothingness. Because you believe we all came from nothing, you believe in death we will all return to nothingness.

    Well that's not what we Christians believe in. We have a logical thinking mind that's why we believe that Almighty God The Creator (who is something, a living All-Powerful Being) caused everything else to come into existence. He is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. He is uncaused because He is Eternal, He has no beginning, He has no end, He is everlasting, He simply exists!

    Simple fundamental logic: From nothing, nothing comes. From something, something comes. Dwell on these fundamentally true logical statements, maybe it will sink in.

    That's why we Christians believe when we die, we don't become nothing, we don't go into a state of nothingness, of no awareness but rather we enter into a 2nd phase of existence. Most people will go to a place where Almighty God does not dwell by their own choice...a silly unwise choice!

    The rests of us who are Christians will go to Paradise and enter into God's Kingdom of Heaven and live there forever and ever in blissful harmony with The Creator, Almighty God!

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Revelation 21:4 NLT
     
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    Your own bible says that God created all things, good and evil, for his pleasure.

    What makes you think that God will wipe out his perfect works?

    Why would he destroy perfection?

    Do you think his great plan has been derailed? Is that even possible, especially after , as Christians sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

    What kind of believer are you?

    Regards
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    Your problem is that you are incapable of understanding the properties of "Nothing". So, you eagerly jump on the bandwagon where a magical creature created everything, forgetting that your imaginary magical creature would have had to come from nothing materially. Your magical God creature comes from ignorance, which is something.

    If you understand evolution you would know that "strings" and "quantum foam" come from "Nothing" and create elemental particles that eventually evolve into hydrogen. Over time, the hydrogen atoms condense into huge balls and go nuclear, creating stars. The heat in the stars cause the hydrogen to form into new elements. Eventually, the star will go nova and shoot those elements out into space where the material will be captured in the gravity field of another star and form planets. Under the right conditions the planets will have nuclear cores which will also produce new elements. A few planets might be able to produce molecules which will turn dead atoms into living organisms. Eventually, those organisms might eve love into complex plant and animal life forms. Lots of the animal life forms will become intelligent to varying degrees because they are independent of direct contact with dirt like the plants are. Maybe, after billions of years, an intelligent life form will come into existence and wonder how it got to be, so it will create a magical being that have it life. But the reality is that is all came from "Nothing" and will eventually cease to exist.

    If you must worship something, worship hydrogen.
     
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    There is no where written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible that states what you have stated. My Bible and every other Christian Bible whether it be the NKJV, ESV, NLV or the whole rest of them does not, I repeat does not say that "God created all things, good and evil, for his pleasure."

    Obviously you have misinterpreted Scripture somewhere. If that is the case go ahead and point that out to me and I will give you a thorough explanation of how you misinterpreted what you've read. Most unbelievers like yourself misinterpret a verse in the Book of Isaiah. One verse taking out of context that leads to a misinterpretation by the unbeliever who reads that verse.

    But in the meantime, I can tell you that when Almighty God's creation of the universe, of all living life forms, of all non-living matter were completed, He saw that it was good. However, He did not create the evil that has plagued this world for his pleasure. He hates sin, that's why He punishes sin so it would be nonsensical to state that He created evil for His pleasure.

    Evil is not a "thing" like a rock or dirt that is created. The reality is that evil is the absence of good. The evil in this world is all mankind's doing. I suggest if you want to really know about our Creator, Almighty God you must thoroughly read His Best-Selling Book of All-Time without any biases, without any misinterpretations that steers you in the wrong direction to come away with misconceptions of Our Creator, Almighty God. I can promise you if you would do that, you will not see anywhere in the Scriptures of what you have claimed in that "God created all things, good and evil, for his pleasure."

    We Read in Scripture:

    31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good! Genesis 1:31 NLT
     
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    I do note Mitt's perfectly circular explanation that God can't be or do evil because God is good and can only do good, and that Mitt uses this to excuse a genocide of all people on the earth but Noah's family, including newly born babies, innocent animals, etc.

    It really is nothing but pure authoritarianism. Might makes right. God made the world so can do whatever he wants, no matter how cruel and we as obedient created slaves must call it good.

    A truly disturbing mindset this is. Capable of excusing any atrocity.
     
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    OK ... so if God did not create evil as you claim -- then who did ?
     
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    Well you see, God is all powerful and responsible for everything, but he can't be held responsible for anything.
     
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    That's funny...lol With that illogical statement of yours it appears it's you that has the problem understanding what "nothing" is. "Nothing" is just that...it is "nothing" and so it has no properties whatsoever. It has no dimensions, no anything because it's "nothing"...lol

    So "nothing" is void of having any properties because it is essentially the absence of something.

    So once again I present the fundamental logically true statement, "from nothing, nothing comes." I suggest that you keep repeating that statement over and over until you get the picture.
     
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    So you have established what ? Nothing is nothing .. so what .. what do you think follows from this ?
     
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